<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I should have known I was opening a gigantic can of worms here...<br><br></div>Anyway, I like relations as much as the next guy, probably more so. I've been editing and correcting thousands upon thousands of them. One hing I can tell you: they are fragile.<br><br></div>It wouldn't hurt to have some redundancy and wikidata can be that.<br><br></div>Anyway, for all the streets in Brussels that have wikipedia pages, I'm adding wikidata tags. Quite a few still have associatedStreet relations, but for the ones that don't I'm 'breaking' the rule that the wikidata tag should be on a single OSM object. And even if the street is now only composed of a single way, it might still be split later on.<br><br></div>A good week ago, I edited River Maas/La Meuse. It's a navigable river, which means that it's a canal at the same time. On the common parts, I set 2 wikidata tags separated by ; Of course JOSM's validator complained. If the sluices had had wikipedia pages/wikidata entries they would have had their own wikidata tag, while at the same time being part of the canal part of "Canal de la Meuse/Canal de l'Est" as it's called in France.<br><br></div>Smaller rivers don't have river relations, but they are still usually composed of several ways. (They are often split for tunnel=culvert).<br><br></div>I don't know what the big deal is with external identifiers. I agree too many of them are cruft in the DB.<br><br></div>But wikidata tags are the way to link to Wikipedia. It's not possible to link from Wikidata to OSM, due to the unstable nature of our ids and the 3 "namespaces" for nodes/ways/relations.<br><br></div>Anyway, I thnk there is value in adding these tags and will continue doing so, but I hit a snag. So I thought I'd let you know about it.<br><br></div>Polyglot<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-28 15:01 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@imagico.de" target="_blank">osm@imagico.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Tuesday 28 November 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote:<br>
> > the established rule not to have external IDs in the<br>
> > OSM database<br>
><br>
> What "established rule" would that be? Established by whom; when and<br>
> how?<br>
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</span>I am sorry for the ambiguous wording - as Fred said i meant essentially<br>
a custom - calling it "established" was meant to indicate that.<br>
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You could however argue that this stems from the evidently existing rule<br>
of on-the-ground verifiability.<br>
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