<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div>Hello all,</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">From: Marc Gemis <</span><a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">There was a long discussion on the Dutch forum awhile back [1]</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I tried to convince them not to use landuse=village_green for hedges,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">plants, flowers etc. in town centers. I believe the consensus was they</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">would still use it for that purpose, especially, since the</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">UK-community also does this [2]</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Not only there was a long discussion on the Dutch forum, but also on the tagging list:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-January/030788.html" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-January/030788.html</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>And with respect to the use of the wiki it is noted in the above discussion that the wiki: “describes what we tag” and not "how we should tag”.</div><div>The same problem arises when tagging highways, as in many countries there are different legal consequences with respect to the various different highways. Should we come up with a tagging like highway:uk=primary and also highway:es=primary because there might be differences?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Let’s keep it simple and stick with one tag (village_green), keep the way is is rendered and explain the different uses in the wiki.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Also interesting to note on this wiki page:</div><div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vegetation" class="">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vegetation</a></div><div>Where it has:</div><div>landuse=village_green: “<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13.3px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class="">An open area of grass in the centre of an English village.</span>”</div><div><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class="">Actually this states that village_green is only for use inside the UK!</span></div><div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Which leads to the conclusion that outside of the UK, “an </span><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class=""><font face="sans-serif" size="2" class="">open area of grass in the centre of the village” _</font></span><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class="">may not_ be called a village_green. </span></div><div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class="">OSM is there to map the world, not the UK only!</span></div><div><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class="">And in this wiki:</span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=village_green" class="">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green</a></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">We read:</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-variant-ligatures: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">"In Spain the tag has been used consensually to map Paseos: often rather different in appearance to English village greens, but sharing the functional purpose of a common shared space for inhabitants and their activities."</span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">Please also note that I’m the one that added the (other) different uses to that wiki and also included the pictures to show this different use because (as a result of the discussion on our forum [1] ) we agreed:</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">1. If it is grass: tag it as grass</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">2. if it is a tree: tag it as a tree</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">3. if it is a hedge: tag it as a hedge</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">4. if it is a park: tag it as a park</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">5. if it is a flowerbed: tag it as a flowerbed</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">And only in the situation that we have:</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">"all kinds of mixed vegetation (plants, bushes, flowers, small trees, grass), mostly in urban areas, very often maintained by the Municipality. "</span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">we tag it with village_green.</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></div>Regards,</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Marc Zoutendijk.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56899" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56899</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(in Dutch)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">[2]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=626244#p626244" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=626244#p626244</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">(with screenshots)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>