<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Thank you for your considered reply. I think you make some sensible points and I think I now do mostly support your proposal. I apologise for writing only about the UK aspects because I really don't have enough knowledge about these features in other countries to comment. In the UK, these features are confusingly both descriptive terms and legal terms; something that may not look like a village green may be registered as one (and vice versa). I do think it would be helpful to differentiate these concepts, thus I support mapping the physical attributes (ie. what is visible on the ground). Legally registered village greens and common land could then be tagged using the designation tag in a similar manner to how UK Public Rights of Way network is mapped. I think I'll start a discussion on the UK mailing list regarding the recording of the legal aspect seperately as it would be a good thing to tag regardless of the outcome of this proposal.<br><br></div>I'm a bit sceptical that changing village green to village common would do anything to stop your blurred lines examples. <br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Adam<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 December 2017 at 00:06, Daniel Koć <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel@koć.pl" target="_blank">daniel@koć.pl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">W dniu 03.12.2017 o 00:15, Adam Snape pisze:<span class=""><br>
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Yes, OSM is a global database, but that is not to say that country-specific feaures ought not to be explicitly tagged. OSm is - I think - a great means of recording such diversity. I don't particularly see a problem with tags being used to mean subtly different things in different countries as long as there is consistency within countries. I don't expect features tagged leisure=nature_reserve or highway=secondary in the UK to be very similar to similarly tagged features in Botswana.<br>
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Using local tags when needed for locally specific objects is good, but it's better if they can be described in a neutral way when possible. And for example using "village green" in the city is not a subtly different, but rather a common rough stretching the meaning just because it was there (because of the UK roots of OSM).<br>
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This is a great opportunity to migrate some old tags to something better suited for a global project:<br>
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1. Of course "landuse=village_green" have some sense (like using a popular term), but something like "landuse=village_common" would be even better at the end of the day, because:<br>
- this is more accurate description what such area is meant for (general public area in a village)<br>
- "green" might not be necessary there (like in the African village) and it's easy to add this property as a separate tag when needed<br>
- it would be universally usable and still true in UK, because in reality it's not a UK-only type of object<br>
- it's hard to know for a data consumer if "village green" is real or just a result of blurring the lines<br>
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2. Definition of "leisure=common" shows that it's not about leisure only, so it makes sense to:<br>
- move it to landuse/leisure=recreation_gro<wbr>und if that's the real meaning<br>
- move the rest to "landuse=common_ground" for example - or something similar in the "landuse" namespace<br>
- this would be also more accurate description and allows to have more trust in the meaning of the tag for a given object<br>
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Deprecation some tag schemes does not mean disregarding the existence or importance of the objects they are applied to. It's about data quality and usability.<br>
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