<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Let me show to you, the smallest cathedral in the world:<br><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Cross,_Nin">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Cross,_Nin</a><br><br></div>It's not the seat of a bishop any more, but it was in the past (and churches are often called cathedrals even after they lose the status of a seat of a bishop).<br></div><div><br></div><div>I wouldn't tag this building=cathedral, even building=church is a bit much.<br></div><div><br></div>Janko<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">uto, 19. pro 2017. u 14:19 Marc Gemis <<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>> napisao je:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Adam, Martin,<br>
<br>
thanks for your input. It seems that one cannot only rely on what one<br>
sees from the street, or at least not always. Sometimes the name<br>
(church vs cathedral) has to be used to determine the value for<br>
building.<br>
I've seen pubs in all kind of buildings in Belgium, from being located<br>
in terraced houses, over train stations and villas to old manor<br>
houses. I doubt there is really a "pub"-building type here.<br>
<br>
I guess there will always be cases were we can debate whether a type is X or Y.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
<br>
m.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Adam Snape <<a href="mailto:adam.c.snape@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.c.snape@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> My own view of the building tag is that it notes what the building looks<br>
> like to someone on the ground. If it's a fairly generic building then<br>
> obviously the current use is a fairly good indicator. Something like a<br>
> church or pub though often still retains the characteristics of that type of<br>
> building even when internally converted. As long as it still externally<br>
> looks like a church or pub that is what I tag the building as.<br>
><br>
> Adam<br>
><br>
> On 16 Dec 2017 4:35 p.m., "Martin Koppenhoefer" <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> sent from a phone<br>
>><br>
>> > On 16. Dec 2017, at 09:39, Marc Gemis <<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The building page on the wiki [1] lists e.g a church, cathedral and<br>
>> > chapel.<br>
>> > But what is the structural difference between a church and a cathedral<br>
>> > ? I always thought a cathedral is where a bishop leads the messes (or<br>
>> > something like that).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> yes, AFAIK a cathedral is the main church of a diocese in certain<br>
>> denominations like roman-catholic, it is the church where the bishop<br>
>> or archbishop has his seat, and it is therefore also typically the<br>
>> biggest and most important church of the area. Structurally you will<br>
>> find cathedrals in general to be bigger than other churches, although<br>
>> there can be pretty big churches as well. Technically, "cathedral" is<br>
>> more a title than a certain type, while there are specific sub-types,<br>
>> in particular "gothic cathedrals" (mainly in France).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > The wiki page on cathedral tries to avoid this by saying some<br>
>> > buildings are build as cathedral but without a bishop, without saying<br>
>> > how one can see the difference between a cathedral and a church.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I would leave this decision to the church. If they call it a cathedral<br>
>> it is one.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > I understand that chapels can be attached to other buildings, but they<br>
>> > can also be free standing. But how different are the bigs ones then<br>
>> > from a small church ?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> chapels might be there for a certain purpose, e.g. on cemeteries or in<br>
>> baptisteries, or part of a bigger structure (even a train station, an<br>
>> airport, a hotel, a convent, a hospital or palace). Again, I'd go here<br>
>> by what it is called by the church.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > I see similar problems with rectangular buildings with one or two<br>
>> > entrances a couple of floors, a flat roof and a lot of windows. They<br>
>> > can be schools, commercial, apartments, civic buildings. I guess one<br>
>> > has to take the interior division into account as well to determine<br>
>> > the type, not ?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> residential buildings are typically different from administrative<br>
>> buildings regarding the unit size and inner organization, entrances,<br>
>> corridors, stairs, sanitary blocks, etc.. You won't typically have<br>
>> difficulties telling which kind it is, if you enter. Of course, very<br>
>> neutral "architecture" like containers might be usable as<br>
>> (construction site) offices and also as tempory emergency residence.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > So can a commercial building change to a school when the interior wall<br>
>> > are changed? And if so, why is a church not changed into an apartment<br>
>> > building when the interior changes ?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Or are we just wishing that building refers to the structure and not<br>
>> > the function ?<br>
>> > Or am I overthinking the whole topic ?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> yes, convertions are generally possible, it depends on economic and<br>
>> cultural factors if they are done. Some structures are clearly more<br>
>> universally usable and easier to convert into a different usage then<br>
>> what they were built for, compared to others. It also depends on the<br>
>> amount of compromise, an inhabitant is willing to accept, on the<br>
>> individual lifestyle (some people like living in industrial<br>
>> buildings), etc.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Those questions came up after I tried to answer a question on a barn<br>
>> > used as church and community centre on the help website.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> as you say it is a barn used as a church, I'd say building=barn<br>
>> If you had said: a barn converted to a church, building=church you<br>
>> should have considered building=church. ;-)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Martin<br>
>><br>
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