<div dir="ltr">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>If those zones are not entire areas then I agree - don't use areas. If it is on a street-by-street basis we have no choice but to track individual streets.<br>How about an empty relation? (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Empty_relations">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Empty_relations</a>) This would group the tags in one place, leaving just a few tags per street.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy mapping!<br><br>Matej</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 January 2018 at 11:51, Stefan Nagy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefan.nagy@posteo.net" target="_blank">stefan.nagy@posteo.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<span class=""><br>
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Am 14.01.2018 11:02 schrieb pbnoxious:<br>
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On 2018-01-13 22:06, Matej Lieskovský wrote:<br>
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I have a similar problem with the tagging of "Zone 30" and other such<br>
restrictions.<br>
<br>
I understand that having the tag on every road makes it easier for<br>
consumers. I think that when a restriction is conceptually an area, it<br>
should be marked as an area because we should be making use of<br>
the fact that we have a geospatial database.<br>
A relationship feels a little like having the disadvantages of both<br>
approaches - you need to keep track of all road segments, but it is<br>
worse for consumers.<br>
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I'd like to disagree on the "Zone 30" being an actual area: Here the<br>
appropriate administration does usually not set a full area (with all<br>
houses, parks etc.) as restricted but rather the individual connected<br>
streets, which means that in my mind a relation would be the approach<br>
that resembles the nature of these restrictions the most. But as you<br>
already noticed: the relation does not really make things easier, so I<br>
would rather stick to tagging the individual roads.<br>
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The problem with short-term parking zones is that the conditions are<br>
much more complicated than in 30 km/h zones… For example from x pm<br>
to y am parking is free for everyone. From y am to x pm it's only free for<br>
residents (they get a special sticker for their car), everyone else has to<br>
pay a fee of z euros and they are only allowed to park for max. 2 hours.<br>
<br>
Now tag nearly every street in a district with this information – and when<br>
you're done the city decides to change the rules for it's short-term<br>
parking zones…<br>
<br>
That's why I'd like to use implicit values or relations. I don't want to use<br>
areas because, as you say, "the appropriate administration does usually<span class=""><br>
not set a full area (with all houses, parks etc.) as restricted but rather the<br></span>
individual connected streets" – and the rules don't apply to all streets in<br>
these areas.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Stefan.<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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