<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">One point that hasn't been discussed (and isn't in the subject line) is that part of Ilya's proposal is to also drop stations.</span><div><br></div><div>I would move in the opposite direction and expand the role of stations. Here's why.</div><div><br></div><div>In many (many) cases, GTFS data from bus operators includes a single StopPoint value for what are in fact multiple stopping points (platforms) within a station. It would greatly simplify matters if the *station* itself could be considered the platform. I would suggest this could be accomplished by including the station (node/way/area) in the route relation with the role "station" (or, as appropriate, station_entry_only or station_exit_only).</div><div><br></div><div>Not sure what usefulness, if any, this would have for rail routes.<br><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">highway=platform and railway=platform on a WAY or an AREA are perfectly fine tags for such platforms, where they exist. Until about a year ago I was also adding public_transport=platform to these ways, but as it creates confusion with the platform NODES, which as far as I am concerned represent the bus and tram stops, I stopped doing that.<div><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/PT_Assistant/Mapping_Public_Transport_with_JOSM" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/PT_<wbr>Assistant/Mapping_Public_<wbr>Transport_with_JOSM</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Jo</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-31 9:23 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:selfishseahorse@gmail.com" target="_blank">selfishseahorse@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is public_transport=platform now about the structure or the function?<br>
<br>
If it is about the function, then we need a separate tag for the<br>
platform structure.<br>
<br>
If it is about the structure, then we should decide to either map the<br>
sidewalk or public_transport=platform (depending on how we define a<br>
platform). Otherwise, we say that there are two physical structures,<br>
which is wrong.<br>
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On 30 March 2018 at 19:41, "Christian Müller" <<a href="mailto:cmue81@gmx.de" target="_blank">cmue81@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. März 2018 um 11:06 Uhr<br>
>> Von: "Selfish Seahorse" <<a href="mailto:selfishseahorse@gmail.com" target="_blank">selfishseahorse@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
>> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms<br>
>><br>
>> I wouldn't call a sidewalk a platform, especially because the waiting<br>
>> area on the sidewalk often isn't clearly delimited. Furthermore,<br>
>> double tagging doesn't work if the sidewalk is called 'X Road' and the<br>
>> bus stop 'Y Square'.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> If a sidewalk _functions_ as a platform, than you can indeed call that<br>
> part of the sidewalk a platform, depending on which role of the area<br>
> you are currently talking about. This is time-dependent:<br>
><br>
> If lots of people are standing and waiting on that sidewalk for a<br>
> vehicle to arrive, it will be easier for you to see why this is (also)<br>
> a platform, than e.g. at night time without a PT service serving the<br>
> halt.<br>
><br>
> A thing as simple as a box may be used as a table or chair. This is<br>
> the same thing here. You have a physical structure that is so simple<br>
> that it may function as a platform or a sidewalk, depending on current<br>
> use.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Greetings<br>
> cmuelle8<br>
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