<div dir="auto">It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:sans-serif">El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe <<a href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br></div><blockquote style="font-family:sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk page of power=substation key.<br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets</a><br><br></div>Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages (with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet.<br><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location</a><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet</a></div><div><br></div><div>location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power</div><div><br></div><div>location key can now be used everytime to give the right substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not.</div><div>We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this : <br></div><div><div>man_made=street_cabinet</div><div>street_cabinet=power</div><div>power=substation</div><div>substation=minor_distribution</div>location=underground or indoor or ...</div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>François<br></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi<br><br></div>The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described with power=substation + location=kiosk.<br></div>They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter to work (opposite of building) : <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples</a><br></div><div>power=substation</div><div>substation=minor_distribution <br></div><div>location=kiosk</div><div><br></div><div>I propose to update it as such :</div><div>man_made=street_cabinet</div><div>street_cabinet=power</div><div>power=substation</div><div>substation=minor_distribution</div><div>location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located)<br></div><div><br></div><div>It works both for nodes or areas.<br></div><div>Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks for instance) <br></div><div>There are 7k objects in db:</div><div><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk</a></div><div><br></div><div>Pages to update are :</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location</a><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet</a></div><div><br></div><div>How do you feel about it ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this question.<br></div>Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days.<br></div><div>No automated edits.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your time<font color="#888888"><br></font></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div>François<br><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></font></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Tagging mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></blockquote></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert <<a href="mailto:osm-ml@michreichert.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">osm-ml@michreichert.de</a>> escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible<br>
values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history<br>
showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 2018-01-02. The<br>
edit description mentions man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power<br>
as a replacement.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685</a><br>
<br>
location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation Refinement<br>
Proposal in 2013.<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation</a><br>
<br>
man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet Proposal in<br>
2014.<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet</a><br>
This proposal does not mention substations or transformers at all.<br>
<br>
I think that small substations are not street cabinets because they are<br>
much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located on the<br>
sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.<br>
<br>
I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose<br>
to revert this change on the wiki.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
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