<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>It may be good to think globally and develop the waterworks=* key instead of using man_made<br><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/waterworks#overview">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/waterworks#overview</a><br><br></div><div>This would efficently group pumping_station, sewerage_process, drinking_process, covered_reservoir and so on...<br></div><div>Waterworks connect to natural and artifical waterways including pressurised and pipelines.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Processed or produced type of water may go in substance=* key (drinking_water, raw_water, sewerage...)<br><br></div><div>Let's follow the experience of power plants by distinguishing buildings from devices.<br></div><div>Pumping station refer to the building while a pump refers to the device (node inside the building)<br></div><div>If the building is too small to let technicians enter in it, it's a street cabinet (man_made=streer_cabinet)<br></div><div><br></div><div>This require formal proposal for waterworks facilities, some of them are already listed in this draft about water networks<br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/water_network">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/water_network</a><br><br></div><div>All the best<br><br></div><div>François<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-26 19:16 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="">On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:14 PM, marc marc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
> pumping_station=sewage<br>
<br>
is pumping_station only a duplicate key for substance ?<br>
it look like useless<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I suspect pumping_station=sewage was the original way of tagging it but then<br></div><div>the pipeline people decided substance=sewage was better. Taginfo has 883<br></div><div>uses of pumping_station and only 165 pumping_station=sewage. Taginfo has<br></div><div>1097 uses of substance=sewage, but a lot of those could be pipelines and<br></div><div>manholes, to which it also applies. It can probably be deleted but I'll wait<br></div><div>until I'm happy about all the other changes before I do it,to give somebody<br></div><div>who lived through those changes a chance to say why it should remain.<br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span><br>
> 1) Tag actual buildings housing pump machinery as building=service<br>
> as well as man_made=pumping_station etc. This approach can be<br>
> found here <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/439149633" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/w<wbr>ay/439149633</a><br>
<br>
</span>if the pump is inside the building, it's of course a good idea to map <br>
the building.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Indeed. But only required if the building is all there is to the pumping<br></div><div>station, to give an object to apply man_made=pumping_station to. If<br></div><div>it's just one building amongst a collection of stuff, it's nice to add it with<br></div><div>building=service but could be omitted if the aerial imagery isn't clear.<br></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
PS : the name look like fake.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>It could be real. Not a problem if it's not. <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span><br>
> 2) Tag an area, which may be a single building, or a fence around one<br>
> or more buildings (and possibly other stuff) as landuse=industrial. This<br>
> approach can be found here: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/488574374" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/w<wbr>ay/488574374</a><br>
<br>
</span>a pump for a residential area in a street cabinet or in a small building <br>
is imho not an industrial landuse.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Yeah, I'm not happy tagging a cabinet that way. Single building I'm not so<br></div><div>sure of. If it's not industrial landuse in an urban environment is it industrial<br></div><div>in a rural one?<br></div><div> <br></div>Which is why building=service is probably better in that case. Anybody<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">know what the appropriate tag is for a cabinet (Australians, please don't<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">say "kiosk").<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> 7) Other.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure that we need to document "map the building if it as a <br>
building" but why not.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Because it's not obvious. It's natural to assume that a wiki page which<br></div><div>tells you how to tag something tells you everything you need to know.<br></div><div>Otherwise people end up making up their own solutions, or keep asking<br></div><div>in the forum, or get frustrated because it doesn't work, or they end up<br></div><div>researching it as best they can then proposing a documentation change<br></div><div>on this mailing list.<br></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think we should advise each method when it is the most appropriate:-)<br>
a cabinet or a building without a landuse if it's only a cabinet or building<br>
an area with a landuse if it's an area = more than only a building (2 or <br>
more building and/or space around the building also "used" for the station)<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I'd say what makes it landuse is more than one object and there's a fence<br></div><div>around those objects. In borderline cases even a single building with a<br></div><div>fence can probably be mapped as landuse because there may be<br></div><div>underground objects within the fence that the mapper is unaware of.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I wonder when we're going to decide what to call large street cabinets. :)<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br>-- <br></div><div>Paul<br><br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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