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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The use of the word 'kiosk' may be a
jargon use within the power industry? <br>
Or it could be that the size is similar to a normal 'kiosk'?<br>
Maybe the original user could provide some information as to the
true source? <br>
<br>
On 26/04/18 20:33, nwastra wrote:<br>
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Australians also know a <span style="background-color: rgba(255,
255, 255, 0);">kiosk as a small selling booth for small articles
e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks often found on central city
railway stations.</span><br>
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On 26 Apr 2018, at 8:22 pm, James <<a
href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">james2432@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">@Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a
substation a kiosk here</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson,
<<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Looks like it's australian, to call a power
substation a power kiosk. It converts the high voltage
to low voltage and distributes power to households. Just
'kiosk' is confusing to me.
<div>Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles
e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks. Mainly found on
railway stations.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John
Sturdy <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>To me, as a native British-English speaker,
"kiosk" doesn't seem to be the right word for
these. A kiosk is normally something that *is*
large enough for a person to enter (typically,
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 25, 2018
at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="auto">It was François Lacombe on
this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
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style="font-family:sans-serif">El
mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14,
François Lacombe <<a
href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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Regarding this location=kiosk
topic, a discussion was opened
on talk page of power=substation
key.<br>
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets</a><br>
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</div>
Since no big issue has been
raised, I've updated mentionned
wiki pages (with French version
when available) with
man_made=street_cabinet.<br>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values</a></div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location</a></div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution</a></div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location</a><br>
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<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet</a></div>
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<div>location=kiosk is not a
recommended value anymore and
it's encouraged to replace it
manually and carefully with
man_made=street_cabinet +
street_cabinet=power</div>
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</div>
<div>location key can now be used
everytime to give the right
substation/transformer's
location, in cabinet or not.</div>
<div>We can have underground or
indoor cabinets like this : <br>
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<div>
<div>man_made=street_cabinet</div>
<div>street_cabinet=power</div>
<div>power=substation</div>
<div>substation=minor_distribution</div>
location=underground or indoor
or ...</div>
<div><br>
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<div>All the best</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>François<br>
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11:45 GMT+01:00 François
Lacombe <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi<br>
<br>
</div>
The
man_made=street_cabinet
key sounds suitable
to map items
described with
power=substation +
location=kiosk.<br>
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They are actual small
cabinets like those
where no technician
can enter to work
(opposite of building)
: <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg</a></div>
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<div>Street cabinet is
the container while
substation is the
function. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wiki example on
this page gives
follwing tags:</div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples</a><br>
</div>
<div>power=substation</div>
<div>substation=minor_distribution <br>
</div>
<div>location=kiosk</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I propose to update
it as such :</div>
<div>man_made=street_cabinet</div>
<div>street_cabinet=power</div>
<div>power=substation</div>
<div>substation=minor_distribution</div>
<div>location=pavement
(or wherever the
cabinet is located)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It works both for
nodes or areas.<br>
</div>
<div>Additionnal
advantage is to get
location=* back to
give cabinet position
instead of substation
design (there was
issues to tag
underground kiosks for
instance) <br>
</div>
<div>There are 7k
objects in db:</div>
<div><a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Pages to update are
:</div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values</a></div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location</a></div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution</a></div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location</a><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How do you feel
about it ?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are no need
of a time consuming
formal proposal to
deal with this
question.<br>
</div>
Without further coments,
i will update wiki pages
in 15 days.<br>
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<div>No automated edits.<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your time<font
color="#888888"><br>
</font></div>
<font color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
François<br>
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<div dir="ltr">El mié., 25 de abril
de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert
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<div
class="m_-8888261556169009127m_7933475030563554080h5">Hi,<br>
<br>
while adding a substation to OSM
yesterday I looked up the possible<br>
values of location=* and missed
kiosk. A short glance in the
history<br>
showes that it removed
location=kiosk from the page on
2018-01-02. The<br>
edit description mentions
man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power<br>
as a replacement.<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685</a><br>
<br>
location=kiosk was introduced by
the approved Substation Refinement<br>
Proposal in 2013.<br>
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation</a><br>
<br>
man_made=street_cabinet was
introduced by the Street Cabinet
Proposal in<br>
2014.<br>
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet</a><br>
This proposal does not mention
substations or transformers at
all.<br>
<br>
I think that small substations are
not street cabinets because they
are<br>
much larger than street cabinets
and are usually not located on the<br>
sidewalk but next to it on a
separate area.<br>
<br>
I don't remember a discussion of
this change, do you? If no, I
propose<br>
to revert this change on the wiki.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
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