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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The use of the word 'kiosk' may be a
      jargon use within the power industry? <br>
      Or it could be that the size is similar to a normal 'kiosk'?<br>
      Maybe the original user could provide some information as to the
      true source?  <br>
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      On 26/04/18 20:33, nwastra wrote:<br>
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      Australians also know a <span style="background-color: rgba(255,
        255, 255, 0);">kiosk as a small selling booth for small articles
        e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks often found on central city
        railway stations.</span><br>
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      <div id="AppleMailSignature">N</div>
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        On 26 Apr 2018, at 8:22 pm, James <<a
          href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">james2432@gmail.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">@Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a
            substation a kiosk here</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson,
              <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">pelderson@gmail.com</a>>
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              <div dir="ltr">Looks like it's australian, to call a power
                substation a power kiosk. It converts the high voltage
                to low voltage and distributes power to households. Just
                'kiosk' is confusing to me. 
                <div>Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles
                  e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks. Mainly found on
                  railway stations.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John
                  Sturdy <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      href="mailto:jcg.sturdy@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                      rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">jcg.sturdy@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                      <div>To me, as a native British-English speaker,
                        "kiosk" doesn't seem to be the right word for
                        these.  A kiosk is normally something that *is*
                        large enough for a person to enter (typically,
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 25, 2018
                            at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                href="mailto:josemoya@gmail.com"
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                              <div dir="auto">It was François Lacombe on
                                this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
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                                    style="font-family:sans-serif">El
                                    mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14,
                                    François Lacombe <<a
                                      href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>>
                                    escribió:<br>
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                                        <div>Hi,<br>
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                                        Regarding this location=kiosk
                                        topic, a discussion was opened
                                        on talk page of power=substation
                                        key.<br>
                                        <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets</a><br>
                                        <br>
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                                      Since no big issue has been
                                      raised, I've updated mentionned
                                      wiki pages (with French version
                                      when available) with
                                      man_made=street_cabinet.<br>
                                      <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values</a></div>
                                      <div><a
                                          href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location</a></div>
                                      <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution</a></div>
                                      <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location</a><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><a
                                          href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet</a></div>
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                                      <div>location=kiosk is not a
                                        recommended value anymore and
                                        it's encouraged to replace it
                                        manually and carefully with
                                        man_made=street_cabinet +
                                        street_cabinet=power</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>location key can now be used
                                        everytime to give the right
                                        substation/transformer's
                                        location, in cabinet or not.</div>
                                      <div>We can have underground or
                                        indoor cabinets like this : <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>man_made=street_cabinet</div>
                                        <div>street_cabinet=power</div>
                                        <div>power=substation</div>
                                        <div>substation=minor_distribution</div>
                                        location=underground or indoor
                                        or ...</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>All the best</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>François<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                          11:45 GMT+01:00 François
                                          Lacombe <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                                    <div>Hi<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    The
                                                    man_made=street_cabinet
                                                    key sounds suitable
                                                    to map items
                                                    described with
                                                    power=substation +
                                                    location=kiosk.<br>
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                                                  They are actual small
                                                  cabinets like those
                                                  where no technician
                                                  can enter to work
                                                  (opposite of building)
                                                  : <a
                                                    href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg</a></div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Street cabinet is
                                                  the container while
                                                  substation is the
                                                  function. <br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Wiki example on
                                                  this page gives
                                                  follwing tags:</div>
                                                <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples</a><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>power=substation</div>
                                                <div>substation=minor_distribution <br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>location=kiosk</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>I propose to update
                                                  it as such :</div>
                                                <div>man_made=street_cabinet</div>
                                                <div>street_cabinet=power</div>
                                                <div>power=substation</div>
                                                <div>substation=minor_distribution</div>
                                                <div>location=pavement
                                                  (or wherever the
                                                  cabinet is located)<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>It works both for
                                                  nodes or areas.<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Additionnal
                                                  advantage is to get
                                                  location=* back to
                                                  give cabinet position
                                                  instead of substation
                                                  design (there was
                                                  issues to tag
                                                  underground kiosks for
                                                  instance) <br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>There are 7k
                                                  objects in db:</div>
                                                <div><a
                                                    href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk</a></div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Pages to update are
                                                  :</div>
                                                <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values</a></div>
                                                <div><a
                                                    href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location</a></div>
                                                <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution</a></div>
                                                <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location</a><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><a
                                                    href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet</a></div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>How do you feel
                                                  about it ?<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>There are no need
                                                  of a time consuming
                                                  formal proposal to
                                                  deal with this
                                                  question.<br>
                                                </div>
                                                Without further coments,
                                                i will update wiki pages
                                                in 15 days.<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>No automated edits.<br>
                                              </div>
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                                                François<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">El mié., 25 de abril
                                      de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert
                                      <<a
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                                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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                                        moz-do-not-send="true">osm-ml@michreichert.de</a>>
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                                      <br>
                                      while adding a substation to OSM
                                      yesterday I looked up the possible<br>
                                      values of location=* and missed
                                      kiosk. A short glance in the
                                      history<br>
                                      showes that it removed
                                      location=kiosk from the page on
                                      2018-01-02. The<br>
                                      edit description mentions
                                      man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power<br>
                                      as a replacement.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685"
                                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer
                                        noreferrer noreferrer"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      location=kiosk was introduced by
                                      the approved Substation Refinement<br>
                                      Proposal in 2013.<br>
                                      <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation"
                                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer
                                        noreferrer noreferrer"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      man_made=street_cabinet was
                                      introduced by the Street Cabinet
                                      Proposal in<br>
                                      2014.<br>
                                      <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet"
                                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer
                                        noreferrer noreferrer"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet</a><br>
                                      This proposal does not mention
                                      substations or transformers at
                                      all.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I think that small substations are
                                      not street cabinets because they
                                      are<br>
                                      much larger than street cabinets
                                      and are usually not located on the<br>
                                      sidewalk but next to it on a
                                      separate area.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I don't remember a discussion of
                                      this change, do you? If no, I
                                      propose<br>
                                      to revert this change on the wiki.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Best regards<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Michael<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      -- <br>
                                      Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich
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                                      ausgenommen)<br>
                                      I prefer GPG encryption of emails.
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