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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Obviously, you would have to use a separate node inside the area that is tagged as the bar to tag the piano…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If you want to go into this much detail about what’s inside the bar (or anything else for that matter), tagging the area and then putting things inside it is much more manageable then trying to tag everything on a single node.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In that regards it’s the same as tagging e.g. a café inside a bookshop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> José G Moya Y. <josemoya@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 29 April 2018 18:37<br><b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think this is a good idea, but, in the suggestion of Thorsten, I find problematic the use of "access=" tag when instruments are in a bar. Imagine a bar with a private piano is tagged as a point:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>amenity=bar<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>amenity=musical_instrument<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>musical_instrument=piano<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>access=private<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It does not make clear if either access to bar or access to piano is private. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, since bars are amenities, a duplicate "amenity" tag arises. You have to either put two points or tag the bar as an area.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yours,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>José<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>El dom., 29 de abril de 2018 7:51, <<a href="mailto:osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.id.au">osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.id.au</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>The musical_instrument *key* is generally used to name the specific type of musical instrument: <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/musical_instrument" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/musical_instrument</a><br><br>You are correct that it's mostly used in combination with shop=musical_instrument (a place selling them) or craft=musical_instrument (a place making them).<br><br>But there are also a (very) few cases tagged as amenity=musical_instrument (a place where a musical instrument is available for use) and playground=musical_instrument (similar, but generally a more robust "toy" instrument aimed at a younger audience). Neither one of which is currently specifically documented on the wiki, but that shouldn't stop you from using them.<br><br>So a piano in a bar that is available for people to play on should probably be tagged:<br><br>amenity=musical_instrument<br>musical_instrument=piano<br>access=permissive (or access=customer in some cases)<br><br>Either way, the piano is privately owned and the owner is currently making it available to other people, but may revoke that permission at will in the future.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Thorsten<br><br>P.S. is there a preference on this mailing list for top or bottom posting?<br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: e1k <<a href="mailto:emileaben@protonmail.ch" target="_blank">emileaben@protonmail.ch</a>><br>> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2018 15:12<br>> To: <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> Subject: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available<br>> musical instruments<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> (first post, plz be gentle!)<br>> i'd love to see if there can be consensus on the use of the<br>> 'musical_instrument' tag for publicly available musical instruments.<br>> a growing number of bars, train stations and or other public places<br>> have musical instruments around where i live (Amsterdam area), and<br>> i've started noticing and collecting these places, and would love<br>> to tag them in openstreetmap.<br>> use case: as a musician that travels around a bit, i'd love to know<br>> where i can find a piano or guitar to play on.<br>> i see the musical_instrument tag is mostly (only?) used for place<br>> that create and/or sell musical instruments, but i'm wondering what<br>> the appropriate form of tag would be for a publicly available<br>> musical instrument.<br>> (if this has been discussed before, plz point me at it, i coudln't<br>> find it)<br>> <br>> best regards,<br>> emile<br>> <br>> <br>> ---<br>> <br>> All revolutions are impossible until they happen. Then they become<br>> inevitable -- Albie Sachs<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Tagging mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tagging mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging<br></a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>