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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If I may correct your suggestion, that’s not quite right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To quote the wiki for lanes:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>The </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'>lanes=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> key should be used to specify the total number of <b>marked</b> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:lanes"><span style='color:#663366;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_7" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt=Wikipedia-16px.png></span><span style='color:#663366'> lanes</span></a>of a road.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>The following lanes should be <b>included</b>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>General purpose <img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt="[W]"> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane" title="wikipedia:Lane"><span style='color:#663366'>traffic lanes</span></a> suitable for vehicles wider than a motorbike.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_5" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt="[W]"></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_lane" title="wikipedia:Bus lane"><span style='color:#663366'>Bus lanes</span></a>, that are reserved for public service vehicles (PSV), for example buses and taxis. Additionally to the total number of lanes, consider to tag the number of lanes for PSV with </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'>lanes:psv=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>, </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'>lanes:bus=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> and </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'>lanes:taxi=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt="[W]"></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-occupancy_vehicle_lane" title="wikipedia:High-occupancy vehicle lane"><span style='color:#663366'>High-occupancy vehicle lanes</span></a> (sometimes also called carpool lanes, commuter lanes, express lanes, transit lanes). The number of such lanes could be tagged using </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'>lanes:hov=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Other lanes such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nl:Spitsstrook"><span style='color:#663366;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt=Wikipedia-16px.png></span><span style='color:#663366'> spitsstroken</span></a>(nl) in the Netherlands or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Stra%C3%9Fenquerschnitt#Seitenstreifen"><span style='color:#663366;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt=Wikipedia-16px.png></span><span style='color:#663366'> temporäre Standstreifen</span></a>(de) in Austria, Germany and Switzerland which are available to traffic at certain restricted times, for example during the rush hour.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Longer slip-roads, for example on motorways and other fast major roads. Turning lanes for minor roads are not normally included. See </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn" title="Key:turn"><span style='color:#0B0080'>turn</span></a>=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> for further details about tagging turning lanes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>And the following lanes should be <b>excluded</b>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Minor slip roads without a deceleration/acceleration lane, i.e. the main road is wider only because of the intersecting road.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Parking lanes. Consider using </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane" title="Key:parking:lane"><span style='color:#0B0080'>parking:lane</span></a>=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> to provide further information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Bicycle lanes. Use the tag </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway" title="Key:cycleway"><span style='color:#0B0080'>cycleway</span></a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dlane" title="Tag:cycleway=lane"><span style='color:#0B0080'>lane</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> for those.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:19.2pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Emergency <img border=0 width=16 height=16 style='width:.1666in;height:.1666in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D3E86A.B8B69FF0" alt="[W]"> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_(road)" title="wikipedia:Shoulder (road)"><span style='color:#663366'>shoulder lanes</span></a>. See </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder" title="Key:shoulder"><span style='color:#0B0080'>shoulder</span></a>=*</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> for further details.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So a “normal” two way road with cycleways (in Australia, with left hand traffic) would be tagged as:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>cycleway=lane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>lanes=2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>vehicles:lanes:forward=no|yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>vehicles:lanes:backward=no|yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>bicycle:lanes:forward=designated|yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>bicycle:lanes:backward=designated|yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>When tagging to this level, I generally try to also add the width:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>width:lanes:forward=1|3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>width:lanes:backward=1|3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>in JOSM the “lane and road attributes” mapstyle will help visualizing these tagged lanes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Use vehicle instead of motor_vehicle (to keep carriages out of your cycle lanes…).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Important: Do NOT include the cycleway lanes in the lanes=x count! The lanes count (which only counts marked lanes for motorized traffic) and the number of entries in the :lanes prefix keys can and will be different! (Which is maybe somewhat unfortunate, but the lanes=count tag predates the :lanes prefix tags by many years, and has been used that way all over the place. Mixing different definitions of the lanes key in different places, or even just different segments of the same road, is going to result in useless, unreliable data as a data consumer will have no way to differentiate what definition of lanes=count would apply.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>See <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes#Crossing_with_a_designated_lane_for_bicycles">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes#Crossing_with_a_designated_lane_for_bicycles</a> for an example of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 May 2018 11:30<br><b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>My suggestion:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>cycleway=lane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes=4<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes:forward=2<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes:backward=2<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>motor_vehicle:lanes:forward=yes|no<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>motor_vehicle:lanes:backward=yes|no<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>bicycle:lanes:forward=yes|designated (maybe no|designated if you're not allowed out of the bike lane on a bike)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>bicycle:lanes:backward=yes|designated<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rationale for this: Sometimes things get complicated. For example, how would you smash the following tag scenario into "don't include bike lanes in the lane count" schemes?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>cycleway=lane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>oneway=yes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes=5<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>turn:lanes=left;through|left;through|through|through|right<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>bicycle:lanes=designated|yes|yes|designated|yes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>motor_vehicle:lanes=no|yes|yes|no|yes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And sometimes the cycleway=* tag just can't deal with the situation at all, like when you have curbside bike lanes and the rest of the lanes are shared.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>access:lanes:backward=yes|yes|no<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>access:lanes:forward=yes|yes|no<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>bicycle:lanes:backward=designated|designated|designated<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>bicycle:lanes:forward=designated|designated|designated<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>cycleway=lane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>highway=tertiary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes:backward=3<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes:forward=3<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>lanes=6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>name=South Greenwood Avenue<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>turn:lanes:backward=left;through|through|through<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>turn:lanes:forward=left;through|through|through<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com" target="_blank">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I want to tag a road (one of thousands in this country) that has two lanes for cars (one in each direction) and two cycle lanes, one on each side. Thes cycle lanes are by law one-way in the same direction of the motorized traffic in the neighbouring road lane.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My (basic) tagging would be:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>highway=unclassified (or whatever)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>cycleway:right=lane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>cycleway:right:oneway=yes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>cycleway:left=lane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>cycleway:left:oneway=-1<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>the value "-1" is discouraged for the "oneway" key, but in this case I see no alternative<br>"cycleway:left:oneway=-1" has some 800 uses in taginfo, "cycleway:right:oneway=yes" has some 2800 uses in taginfo.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Should I go ahead with my tagging? Alternatives?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tagging mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>