<div dir="ltr">I'm not sure exactly what you're describing or why a new role is needed.<div><br></div><div>If the bus traverses the way twice, once in each direction, you simply include the way twice. "Magic turntable" is a good description. These are fairly common in France, which (not surprisingly) has a lot of cul-de-sacs. </div><div><br></div><div>The bus ordinarily finds a way to turn around so the bus moves toward its front, but I'm not sure it makes any difference to anyone what gear the driver is using. First gear, second gear, reverse gear -- does it really matter?</div><div><br></div><div>I conjured up two images before seeing Paul's "magic turntable" comment. The first was a helicopter that winched the bus into the air and turned it around. Again, what difference does it make to the mapper or consumer?</div><div><br></div><div>The second was an actual turntable -- the terminus of the San Francisco Cable Car at Powell and Market. Nothing magic about it.</div><div><br></div><div>I have no problem with inventing a new tag (or role), but "reverse" sounds too much like the deprecated (in PTv2) "backward" to me. Maybe "reverse_gear"?</div><div><br></div><div>The best reason I can think of for this is to warn other mappers that something oddball is happening here and so please don't assume that just because there's no room for the bus to turn around, there's no need to remove this way from the route. But that can be solved with a simple note=* tag on the way.</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Paul Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="">On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Erkin Alp Güney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:erkinalp9035@gmail.com" target="_blank">erkinalp9035@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Does it have any stops in the street it reverses into?</blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Not that I've seen. But if somebody asked to get off there I'm fairly sure that most of the<br></div><div>drivers would permit it. And since it backs as far as a bench, I'm also fairly sure most<br></div><div>drivers would let somebody sat on the bench waiting for the bus to board there.<br></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> If not, it is not formally a part of the route and just a convention.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Yes, but without it the route involves a role called "magic_turntable."<br><br></div><div>If this were an end of route turnaround at a terminus then it's not mappable. What<br></div><div>happens when passengers are not on board and the bus is technically out of service<br></div><div>are not part of the route. But this is done with passengers on board in the middle of<br></div><div>the route.<br><br></div><div>Sure, renderers and routers might cope with the bus going to point X and magically<br></div><div>switching its direction of travel by 180 degrees but it's a bit puzzling for data<br>consumers. Does the bus go out of service there? Is it a terminus? Has the mapper<br></div><div>made a big mistake in the route? Did some other mapper come along and<br>accidentally delete part of the route? Etc.<br><br></div><div>Unless having role=reverse is going to cause big problems for renderers or<br></div><div>routers I don't see any problem with having it. I doubt it's going to get used<br></div><div>often, so it's not a problem regarding data storage. But I could be wrong.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>-- <br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Paul<br><br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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