<div dir="ltr">I imagine that<div>- people
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">that use landuse=grass, landuse=forest/wood, natural=scrub since it renders, would be willing to use landuse=[something appropriate], landcover=grass|trees|scrub|... if it would render</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">-
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">people that use landcover=... (and don't care about empty spots on the map), would not mind if it rendered and might be persuaded to add a collective landuse=[something appropriate] if it adds a nice green default rendering</span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">- people that use landuse=village_green since it renders, would not object to using a correct landuse instead, if it has about the same nice green default rendering.</span><br></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">- people that map it as leisure=garden</span> could be persuaded to use a landuse type instead, if it has a nice default rendering and the extra to specify whats on it<br></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- I do not foresee much support for public:green=yes, it adds unnecessary complexity</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- man_made=*, I don't know. Everything in Nederland is man_made, and it doesn't apply to how the land is used or covered. Seems more appropriate for constructed objects, I don't see anyone replacing all motorway-lining fake-orchards with man_made=???</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-06-05 10:43 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">From previous discussions on this topic I learned that there are<br>
several groups with different ideas about the tagging (see the Dutch<br>
forum, as well as in the archives of this mailing list, the help<br>
website and the General-topic on the forum)<br>
<br>
The groups I see<br>
<br>
- people that use landuse=grass, landuse=forest/wood, natural=scrub<br>
since it renders<br>
- people that use landcover=... (and don't care about empty spots on the map)<br>
- people that use landuse=village_green since it renders<br>
- people that map it as leisure=garden<br>
- some Dutch people invented a new tag, something like "public:green=yes" or so<br>
- and in this thread I learned that some will use man_made=flowerbed<br>
or man_made="something green".<br>
<br>
there are pro's and con's for all those approaches and I don't see the<br>
community coming to consensus soon. It would make a nice topic for<br>
workshop on SOTM :-)<br>
<br>
regards<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
m<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> landuse=village_green is used a lot. That works fine for grass-covered<br>
> areas, because it's rendered green, but it misinterprets the term<br>
> village_green and we're still stuck with the scrub, forest, orchard and<br>
> hedge type greenery areas. The wiki for village_green says:<br>
><br>
> This tag is very often not used to map the distinctive part of a village<br>
> centre as described above, but to map all kinds of mixed vegetation (plants,<br>
> bushes, flowers, small trees, grass), mostly in urban areas, very often<br>
> maintained by the Municipality. See the photos on the talk page for this<br>
> type of use.<br>
><br>
> Such use of the tag is incorrect, and a better tagging for these situations<br>
> needs to be defined.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I guess I am looking for a better definition which can be implemented<br>
> without much hustle.<br>
><br>
> E.g. replace landuse=village_green with landuse=decorative (defaut<br>
> rendering=greenish) then add landcover=scrub|trees|bushes|<wbr>sand|gravel as<br>
> needed.<br>
><br>
> If rendering of these landcover values could be foreseen in the near future,<br>
> retagging can be expected and a lot of fake orchards, mini-forests and fak<br>
> village_greens would disappear from Nederland.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2018-06-05 6:48 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 4 Jun 2018, 23:50 by <a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com">pelderson@gmail.com</a>:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Problem is, landcover is not rendered. Nobody is going to retag for<br>
>> notrendered. Probably never going to change.<br>
>><br>
>> Using landcover (probably in addition to rendered tags) increases chance<br>
>> that<br>
>> it will be rendered by at least some.<br>
>><br>
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