<div dir="ltr">Yeah, saw that exchange before but missed the last ugly part. Mexican standoff? Deadlock? Hm, let's call it an impasse.<div><br></div><div>I'll think about it. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-06-06 13:02 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just look at the issues related to landcover for carto-css on github,<br>
e.g. <a href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2548" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>gravitystorm/openstreetmap-<wbr>carto/issues/2548</a><br>
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* not rendered elsewhere<br>
* not enough instances<br>
* what's the difference with landuse<br>
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are some of the arguments I've seen.<br>
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On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> This issue has a long history... seems to me tagging awaits rendering, and<br>
> rendering awaits tagging. In such cases, you need a commitment from both<br>
> sides, with enough support to fuel trust. Then things can get rolling.<br>
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> I am pretty sure about the tagging side - the problem is recognized, there<br>
> are ideas, and I think a solution can be found whether over left or over<br>
> right. I am not sure about the rendering side. There's no use in tagging a<br>
> lot then throw it at the renderers and hearing: nice try, can't be done, or:<br>
> fine, we'll see if someone picks it up next century. Ok, exaggerated, but<br>
> wouldn't it be better to engage earlier and get a commitment and lay out a<br>
> road map?<br>
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> 2018-06-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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>> sent from a phone<br>
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>> On 5. Jun 2018, at 10:02, Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> E.g. replace landuse=village_green with landuse=decorative (defaut<br>
>> rendering=greenish) then add landcover=scrub|trees|bushes|<wbr>sand|gravel as<br>
>> needed.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> “decorative” is not a good name, if the intention is mapping only<br>
>> greenery. I would add a component or use a wording which makes it more<br>
>> specific, e.g. “greenery” or “verdure” or maybe “decorative_planting”?<br>
>><br>
>> If this was intended for all kind of decorative installations, maybe<br>
>> landuse=street_decoration? Although I would see these generally as elements<br>
>> (e.g. amenity or man_made) within a landuse like “highway”.<br>
>><br>
>> If rendering of these landcover values could be foreseen in the near<br>
>> future, retagging can be expected and a lot of fake orchards, mini-forests<br>
>> and fak village_greens would disappear from Nederland.<br>
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>> If you want to see the landcover tag rendered, one of the most important<br>
>> things to do is use it wherever it can apply.<br>
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>> cheers,<br>
>> Martin<br>
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