<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks for clarifying Jo - I think this is all ok as long as we give users the option to say whether they think their `amenity=shelter` is a building or not. For the bus shelters I could see it as either way but would not override a local mapper’s choice.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe we should start a separate thread for “what is a `building=*` really” because this is something I see frequent confusion over.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, Bryan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 18, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" class="">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">shelter=yes on a highway=bus_stop NODE indicates there is a shelter nearby, but says nothing about where it is exactly nor its size.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">amenity=shelter</div><div class="">shelter_type=public_transport</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">on a CLOSEDWAY</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">indicates where the shelter is. height is not super important. I guess most are about 2.3m high. If it is considered important I'll go out and measure one and start tagging that on them. But that still doesn't make them buildings. They are more like containers with glass wall panels and a metal roof on a slab of concrete. Relatively easy to move and relatively small in size.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Polyglot</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">Op ma 18 jun. 2018 om 15:28 schreef Bryan Housel <<a href="mailto:bhousel@gmail.com" class="">bhousel@gmail.com</a>>:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><tt class="">There are also picnic shelters .. here they can have no walls
just a roof to shelter from the heat of the sun or the occasional
bit of rain. <br class="">
e.g.
<a class="m_-7546184610364716210moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.riversideca.gov/park_rec/sites/riversideca.gov.park_rec/files/pictures/Picnic%20Shelter%20Hunter%20hobby.JPG" target="_blank">https://www.riversideca.gov/park_rec/sites/riversideca.gov.park_rec/files/pictures/Picnic%20Shelter%20Hunter%20hobby.JPG</a><br class="">
<br class=""></tt></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would tag that as:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">amenity=shelter</div><div class="">building=roof ( <— this tag is really the point of the thread)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre class="">The following three are no buildings from my point of view because they
have one wall only. Either the two other walls do not fully stretch from
the ground to the roof or the shelter itself can be removed easily.
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</pre></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class="">I would not use `amenity=shelter` at all and instead tag those as </div><div class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop" target="_blank" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">highway=bus_stop</div><div class="">public_transport=platform</div><div class="">bus=yes</div><div class="">shelter=yes</div><div class="">bench=yes</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre class="">There is building=roof but I would not use it for such shelters. They
are not treated as buildings by the cadastre, why should I do? (If they
are larger and have no walls, they
</pre></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>Anything that should show up on a 3D map needs a `building` tag and maybe a `height`.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre class="">I think that nobody of us knows the whole world and that's why I ask you
not to decide on the default values of the whole world. If local mappers
think that a shelter is a building, they will tag it as such. If they
think that it does not qualify to be a building, they will not add the tag.
</pre></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class="">In iD, the things we provide as presets, and how we render those things on the screen influence how people map.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It sounds like from the discussion that we should not assume that shelters are buildings, and instead provide a field so that mappers can decide. Once we provide this field, we can expect a lot of people to use it. (I’m trying to engage the tagging list a lot more so that people feel consulted when I change things in iD.)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, Bryan</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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