<div dir="ltr">I wouldn't call it unmarked; uncontrolled would be more like it. The markings are just a permanent fixture of the surface in this case, kinda like how some American towns use <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0502967,-95.7908275,3a,60y,37.59h,67.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqrUqbaaBOlSzhuWAcXJYsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">brickwork instead of paint for crosswalks</a>.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 2:18 AM, marc marc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">it look like a pedistrian crossing and a traffic calming<br>
highway=crossing + crossing=unmarked<br>
traffic_calming=table<br>
<br>
if the standard maxspeed for a traffic_calming is not the same<br>
as for a "street exit", the easy think todo is to create a new <br>
traffic_calming value like traffic_calming=street_exit<br>
<br>
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Le 15. 06. 18 à 09:10, Peter Elderson a écrit :<br>
<span class="">> Speed limit is only implied for the part crossing the sidewalk. The <br>
> street behind it can have different speed limits, usually it is part of <br>
> a "30 Kmph zone", but that is not implied or necessary.<br>
> <br>
> The level of detail: sidewalks and kerbs are not usually mapped. It's <br>
> not realistic to start doing that just for these "exit constructions". <br>
> In fact, the exit may have dropped kerbs, but it might be a fat line or <br>
> double line, a line of different paving, a traffic bump or just that the <br>
> sidewalk paving stops.<br>
> Similar considerations for separate tagging of other details of paving, <br>
> elevation, lining. These are not fixed. The key element is that you <br>
> cross a sidewalk (and/or cycling lane).<br>
> <br>
> Speed signs, give-way signs, shark teeth, stop-lines, bump warnings may <br>
> or may not be present. The idea is that all or most signs can be <br>
> removed: a. You are coming form an exit so slow down and give way! b. <br>
> It's coming from the right but it's an exit so move on!<br>
> <br>
> We're looking for a simple way to indicate what's there without tagging <br>
> all the details and implications separately.<br>
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> 2018-06-15 8:42 GMT+02:00 <<a href="mailto:osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.id.au">osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.<wbr>id.au</a> <br>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Street exits____<br>
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<span class="">> <br>
> The street is residential, but the exit is over a sidewalk, with a<br>
> dropped curb. That's the piece I'm talking about: not the street,<br>
</span>> just the exit.____<br>
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<span class="">> <br>
> Rules (legally) implied are that traffic can pass over this<br>
> sidewalk, but has to give way to all sides and all others including<br>
</span>> pedestrians. Speed is limited to 15 Kmph (living_street rules).____<br>
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> Only for that part where it crosses the sidewalk, or for the whole<br>
</span>> street behind it?____<br>
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> As I’m normally mapping the kerb lines (way along the position of<br>
> the kerb, with barrier=kerb and kerb=raised/lowered/rolled/<wbr>flush) I<br>
> would in this place have the highway crossing that kerb line, and<br>
> would create an intersecting node (again tagged as barrier=kerb,<br>
> kerb=lowered) (the same as when I’m mapping individual driveways,<br>
> see: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-27.21152/153.02620" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>edit#map=21/-27.21152/153.<wbr>02620</a><br>
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</span>> But not everyone wants to map to this level of detail.____<br>
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> Maybe just a single barrier=kerb, kerb=lowered node on the highway<br>
> to indicate that it has to cross the kerb?____<br>
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