<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 June 2018 at 21:28, Martin Koppenhoefer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2018-06-18 13:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrew.harvey4@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span></span><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU"><div class="m_6802159011562118654m_9010011673525890704gmail-m_2716114293253722414WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Do we have any tagging scheme for “an area in which it is likely for a lifeguard to be”? I’m not sure if simply tagging an area with emergency=lifeguard lifeguard=place is appropriate for that.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><tt dir="ltr" class="m_6802159011562118654m_9010011673525890704gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:supervised" title="Key:supervised" style="text-decoration:underline;color:rgb(250,167,0);background:none" target="_blank">supervised</a>=*</tt><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>to indicate if the beach has a lifeguard (</span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:1em;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6">yes</tt><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">,<span> </span></span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:1em;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6">no</tt><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">,<span> </span></span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:1em;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6">interval</tt><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>- in the format of<span> </span></span><tt dir="ltr" class="m_6802159011562118654m_9010011673525890704gmail-mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours" title="Key:opening hours" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none" target="_blank">opening_hours</a>=*</tt><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">)</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dbeach" target="_blank">https://wi<wbr>ki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:<wbr>natural%3Dbeach</a></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra">there are different kind of "supervision" on beaches possible: supervision that the equipment at the beach is fine (including for example chairs, umbrellas, sport pitches), or lifeguards who do not control the beach but the water in front of the beach, and do only check for people endangered by the water, not for things that might be damaged. The supervision tag definition is not clear on this (or if you read it literally, is not applying unambiguously well to lifeguards).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agreed but the wiki for beach says when applied to beaches it specifically means supervised by a lifeguard, when applied to other features yes it's unrelated to lifeguards. This is how I've been using the tag, I think that's okay as the default. It is common for beaches to have supervision that's not a lifeguard? I'm all ears for a proposal for finer grain tagging, but until them I'd encourage people to keep mapping per the wiki using supervised on beaches with lifeguards.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">On 18 June 2018 at 21:38,<span> </span></span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><<a href="mailto:osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.id.au" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.id.au</a>></span><span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-AU"><div class="gmail-m_4417823680809446659WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Well, take as an example this beach:<span> </span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17960956" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>way/17960956</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I don’t think a blanket supervised=yes or lifeguard=yes is appropriate for that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">But there are multiple areas, each maybe a few 100m, somewhere in which a lifeguard is going to put down their flags, beach chair, umbralla, whatever regularly.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">So the question becomes, what’s the appropriate tagging scheme for these areas?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I'd suggest that if there are sections permanently patrolled, to break it up and use a multipolygon relation on the whole beach and tag each patrolled section as supervised. Just like how a single road is split up to tag different maxspeed, surface, lanes etc.</div><br></div></div><br></div></div>