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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/18 06:31, Alan Grant wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But why do these
discussions/controversies/ambiguities matter for golf courses?
Are we talking about how to tag areas of tree cover that may
exist between the fairways and greens? <br>
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And those areas can and should be tagged natural=wood -it renders,
it does not imply a land use, and 'natural' is taken as both natural
and unnatural. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 22:21, Paul Allen <<a
href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">pla16021@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Kevin Kenny <span
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Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:46 PM Mateusz Konieczny<br>
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> landuse=forest in OSM is for tree-covered area,
not for area used for logging-related purposes<br>
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And we will keep having this discussion as long as
there is no tag<br>
that denotes the latter that doesn't get repurposed
for the former.<br>
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<div>As I recall (recollection may be flawed) the last
go-round, the following seemed to be the case:<br>
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<div>1) landuse=forest was intended for forestry, but
the value (forest) was badly chosen. Growing trees to
be logged<br>
is a use of the land.<br>
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<div>2) landcover=trees wasn't currently rendered (my
recollection may be particularly bad on that).<br>
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<div>3) Because landuse=forest is badly named (should
have been forestry) and therefore misleading, and
because<br>
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<div>landcover=trees isn't rendered, landuse=forest was
being used for two things.<br>
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<div>4) Usual arguments about what constitutes a forest
versus a wood and other noise as the whole thread<br>
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<div>degenerated.<br>
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<div>My take on it: tag trees for logging purposes as
landuse=forestry (note spelling) and trees not for
logging<br>
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<div>purposes as landcover=trees or natural=wood as
preferred (we can have that argument another time).
Then<br>
change the wiki to say that landuse=forest is
deprecated because it gets misunderstood and misused,
and point<br>
to the alternatives. Introducing two new tags that
supersede an existing tag used ambiguously is the only
hope of<br>
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<div>making this sort of thing work.<br>
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<div>Landuse=forestry is less likely to be misused
because "forestry" means logging and because we'd have<br>
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<div>landcover=trees (which might even constitute
something named "XYZ Forest".<br>
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<div>None of this stands a chance of happening unless
OSM Carto agrees to implement landuse=forestry and<br>
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<div>landcover=trees. People don't use tags that don't
render. Well, for small, specialized things they do,
but for big<br>
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<div>areas of trees they won't. OSM Carto often won't
implement new tags because they're not used much;
people don't<br>
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<div>use new tags that don't render. Rinse, wash,
repeat. What a shame we don't have a forum like a
mailing list where<br>
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<div>we could all agree on sensible things to do and
then they happen.<br>
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<div>Paul<br>
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