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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sorry.. don't know what an 'allotment
plot' is? I don't see that mentioned in the OSMwikis for golf.<br>
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I follow the rest of the 'ref' argument. Will have to look at it.
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On 02/08/18 22:09, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chris Hill <span
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<p>I think people use the ref tag because that makes
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<div>In some situations, where name=* is already used for
one thing but a reference number is also needed, it makes<br>
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<div>sense. In other situations t doesn't make sense (to
me) to use ref, which isn't rendered, rather than name. <br>
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<p> I'm not a golfer but on allotments the whole site
usually has a name and the individual plots have a
number (ref=*).</p>
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<div>Yes, that's how it was defined. Which makes no sense.
Because what use is it not displaying allotment numbers?<br>
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<div>As it happens, plots aren't rendered at all in OSM
Carto, but I believe it's on the to-do list. When (if)
that happens then<br>
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<div>the plot boundaries will be rendered but the plot
number will not (if you do what the wiki says and identify
them with<br>
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<div>The guy who wrote the proposal for allotment plots gave
an example in his proposal. Of the entire allotment NONE<br>
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didn't make sense, even to him.<br>
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<p> The OSM Standard map can't show everything. We used
to have a map like that as a sort of 'debug' map for
mappers; it was useful but horrible to look at as
everything was jammed in and not one to share more
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<div>Please don't use that argument for allotments and golf
courses, because it doesn't apply to them. Sure, in some<br>
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<div>situations not everything fits. I've mapped shops
along a high street and not all of their names display
because there<br>
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<div>is no room (vector mapping may allow higher zooms one
day, and then they will display). But that's not the case
with<br>
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<div>allotments or golf courses. There's plenty of room for
plot numbers/hole numbers to be displayed without looking<br>
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<div>cluttered because they are widely-spaced and there are
no other details nearby.<br>
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<div>An argument I might accept is that the steps
transforming data to rendering are horribly complex and
highly<br>
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<div>inefficient and we don't have the compute power to
handle allotments and golf courses on top of everything
else. But<br>
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<div>please don't trot out the "clutter" argument where it
doesn't apply.<br>
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<p> Abusing the name tag is a common beginner's mistake,
let's not encourage even more use of the name tag -
rather make or find a render that shows what you want
for a particular purpose. <br>
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<div>Please explain WHY it's an abuse to use the name tag
for golf holes or allotment plots. Name is to be used for
names<br>
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<div>and not descriptions, but "hole 7" and "plot 15" can be
viewed as both names and descriptions. As in "I saw him 5
minutes<br>
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<div>ago teeing off at hole 7." In fact, you'd never say "I
saw him 5 minutes ago teeing off at a hole that looks sort
of sevenish."<br>
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<div>The number of a hole or plot is a name as much as a
description, if not more so.<br>
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<div>What might be more sensible is for the carto to render
a ref if there is no name=* in the same way that house
names<br>
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<div>get rendered if there is no addr:number (which applies
to about half the houses where I live). But I'd still
like to know<br>
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<div>why golf greens and allotment plots specified ref
instead of name.<br>
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<div>Paul<br>
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