<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chris Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@raggedred.net" target="_blank">osm@raggedred.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I think people use the ref tag because that makes sense.</p></div></blockquote><div>In some situations, where name=* is already used for one thing but a reference number is also needed, it makes<br></div><div>sense. In other situations t doesn't make sense (to me) to use ref, which isn't rendered, rather than name. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p> I'm not
a golfer but on allotments the whole site usually has a name and
the individual plots have a number (ref=*).</p></div></blockquote><div>Yes, that's how it was defined. Which makes no sense. Because what use is it not displaying allotment numbers?<br><br></div><div>As it happens, plots aren't rendered at all in OSM Carto, but I believe it's on the to-do list. When (if) that happens then<br></div><div>the plot boundaries will be rendered but the plot number will not (if you do what the wiki says and identify them with<br></div><div>ref).<br></div><div><br></div><div>The guy who wrote the proposal for allotment plots gave an example in his proposal. Of the entire allotment NONE<br></div><div>of them had refs, but one of them had a name. So it didn't make sense, even to him.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p> The OSM Standard map
can't show everything. We used to have a map like that as a sort
of 'debug' map for mappers; it was useful but horrible to look at
as everything was jammed in and not one to share more widely.</p></div></blockquote><div>Please don't use that argument for allotments and golf courses, because it doesn't apply to them. Sure, in some<br></div><div>situations not everything fits. I've mapped shops along a high street and not all of their names display because there<br></div><div>is no room (vector mapping may allow higher zooms one day, and then they will display). But that's not the case with<br></div><div>allotments or golf courses. There's plenty of room for plot numbers/hole numbers to be displayed without looking<br></div><div>cluttered because they are widely-spaced and there are no other details nearby.<br><br></div><div>An argument I might accept is that the steps transforming data to rendering are horribly complex and highly<br></div><div>inefficient and we don't have the compute power to handle allotments and golf courses on top of everything else. But<br></div><div>please don't trot out the "clutter" argument where it doesn't apply.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>
Abusing the name tag is a common beginner's mistake, let's not
encourage even more use of the name tag - rather make or find a
render that shows what you want for a particular purpose. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>Please explain WHY it's an abuse to use the name tag for golf holes or allotment plots. Name is to be used for names<br></div><div>and not descriptions, but "hole 7" and "plot 15" can be viewed as both names and descriptions. As in "I saw him 5 minutes<br></div><div>ago teeing off at hole 7." In fact, you'd never say "I saw him 5 minutes ago teeing off at a hole that looks sort of sevenish."<br></div><div>The number of a hole or plot is a name as much as a description, if not more so.<br><br></div><div>What might be more sensible is for the carto to render a ref if there is no name=* in the same way that house names<br></div><div>get rendered if there is no addr:number (which applies to about half the houses where I live). But I'd still like to know<br></div><div>why golf greens and allotment plots specified ref instead of name.<br><br>-- <br></div><div>Paul<br><br></div></div></div></div>