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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/08/18 22:17, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Warin <span
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Temperature, I am afraid, is mine.<br>
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<div>It seemed reasonably well thought out and written.
Shame it failed. It seems it might</div>
<div>have been approved had you said the degree symbol was
optional. People could use it</div>
<div>if they wished but people could omit it. Parsers in
renderers could cope with people using</div>
<div>symbols of similar appearance by simply ignoring
anything that isn't a digit, a decimal point</div>
<div>and C or F, incidentally handling the degree symbol
being optional. In fact your table of incorrect</div>
<div>usage shows the degree symbol on the corrected usages,
so it appears even you consider it</div>
<div>optional.<br>
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<div>The only thing I have a problem with is referring
subjective temperatures to ambient. For me, subjective</div>
<div> temperatures are referred to body temperature. Is it
warmer or colder than me? Especially when dealing</div>
<div> with water I am going to immerse body parts in. It
makes even less sense to consider ambient temperature</div>
<div> when dealing with extreme ambient conditions. An
open-air swimming pool in the middle of winter might be</div>
<div> warmer than ambient by several degrees in the late
afternoon when the air is cooling down but the thermal</div>
<div> inertia of the water keeps it warm, but it's still
damned cold. So I'd refer subjective temps to body temp</div>
<div> and add "ambient" as an objective value. Which makes
tap water (in most parts of the world) cold whether</div>
<div> it's colder or warmer than ambient, because it's
colder than me (which is why it feels cold).<br>
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Your bodies reaction depends on what it is acclimatised to. <br>
If you live in a hot climate, such as Darwin Australia, you put a
jumper on at 25 C because it is cold.<br>
If you live in a colder climate, such as Hobart Australia, you go
swimming at 25 Cbecause it is warm/hot. <br>
Both peoples are fit and healthy yet they perceive the same
temperature as different things. <br>
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.. Yes I have been to both places ... and have some experience with
them. <br>
On immediately arriving in a hot humid place I sought shelter in an
air-conditioned shopping mall, my aunt having spent quite some time
in this climate began to shake with the cold. <br>
I found it nice. But a week later it was cool .. not to the extent
that I would start to shake, but cool. <br>
The body adapts, given time it will find things 'normal' that you
would now find uncomfortable. <br>
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<div>Can proposals be resurrected? Or a new proposal
started which is very similar but</div>
<div>with changes that might improve its chances of
approval? In any case, I'd use the tag if I needed to</div>
<div> specify a temperature on something.<br>
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Go for it. <br>
It will probably pass without the subjective temperatures. <br>
Subversive mappers can then place subjective values in there ... and
those values will probably be interpreted differently by different
people. Such is the world. <br>
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