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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/09/18 07:13, Martin Koppenhoefer
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        OMG the Germans have overtaken the wiki. I just noticed this
        change to the motorcar access definition:
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Aaccess&type=revision&diff=1601167&oldid=1598869"
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        <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:motorcar&diff=next&oldid=1532406"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:motorcar&diff=next&oldid=1532406</a></div>
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        <div>I used motorcar to mean automobile in the past, although
          most of the time the restrictions were more general.
          motorcar=no meant probably also hgv=no, but in access=no &
          motorcar=yes I don’t think that hgv=yes is implied.</div>
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    I don't use it. Ands I don't think I've seen it .. the motor_vehicle
    is the one I use and see. <br>
    Look at the wiki pages for these values shows motor_vehicle is ~3
    times more frequent in the data base than motorcar. <br>
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    When  you look at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcar">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcar</a> <br>
    it has some details that make the change possibly valid ...<br>
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    "In the <span class="plainlinks" title="w:en:
      Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Signs_and_Signals"><a rel="nofollow"
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href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Signs_and_Signals"><span
          style="padding:0 1px"><img alt=""
            src="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/24/Wikipedia-16px.png"
            title="w:en: Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Signs_and_Signals"
            width="16" height="16"></span><bdi>Vienna Convention on Road
          Signs and_Signals</bdi></a></span> the symbol that depicts a <span
      class="plainlinks" title="w:en: Passenger car"><a rel="nofollow"
        class="external text"
        href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Passenger_car"><span
          style="padding:0 1px"><img alt=""
            src="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/24/Wikipedia-16px.png"
            title="w:en: Passenger car" width="16" height="16"></span><bdi>(passenger)
          car</bdi></a></span> -either from the front or the side- is
    also used to describe the wider category of vehicles, as in most
    countries that follow the Vienna Convention. A separate sign that
    prohibits use especially for passenger cars is not included in the
    Vienna Convention and is also absent in the legislation of most
    joining European countries (absent in 19 of the 20 countries listed
    in this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text"
      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibitory_traffic_sign">overview</a>
    )."
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