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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The solid line is a special case. So
many other turn-outs/climbing lanes/... have a dashed line or even
no line at all. I wouldn't make a difference based on markings.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I also strongly favor the lines
solution but wonder if we could not stretch the turn key a bit.
Something along turn:lanes:forward=through|turn-out. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">/Tobi<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.09.2018 um 19:54 schrieb Paul
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<div dir="auto">I don't think so. Really the only thing throwing
this off seems to be the same thing throwing off people who
think bus and bicycle lanes shouldn't be counted as lanes: the
solid line.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 11:50 Kevin Kenny <<a
href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com</a>>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It seems to
me that the key attribute of the 'climbing lane' situation<br>
that Dave mentions is that it's an additional lane. It's
provided for<br>
slow-moving vehicles, sure, but that's really a special case
of the<br>
near-universal convention that slow-moving traffic gives way
to<br>
overtaking traffic by moving to the outside (that is, in North<br>
America, to the right). The difference, at least where I am,
between a<br>
climbing lane and another ordinary lane is a subtle one: you
don't<br>
have to move to the outside if nobody's trying to overtake,
rather<br>
than a "keep right except to pass" rule. You get 90% of the
way there<br>
by simply having the correct number of lanes:forward and<br>
lanes:backward. Is adding a lane that much more complicated
than<br>
drawing a parallel way?<br>
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:31 AM Joseph Eisenberg<br>
<<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> I'd say that it would be better to leave them unmapped
than to incorrectly map them as separate service roads.<br>
> If they are only divided by a single painted line, they
are just lanes, not a separate roadway.<br>
> And it's not too difficult to split the way twice and
paste on a couple of tags<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:17 PM Dave Swarthout <<a
href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Wow, thanks for the help, Markus. I really appreciate
it.<br>
>><br>
>> But I must say, if I have to use that method to tag
all the turnouts on the Sterling Highway, I'm going to leave
them unmapped. Life is too short and there is a lot of other
mapping yet to do in Alaska.<br>
>><br>
>> Although these lanes are not physically separated by
a barrier other than a painted line, I'm going to opt for the
service road scenario. It is simple, much, much less error
prone to map, and IMHO, would do the job better than the lanes
technique.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks to all,<br>
>><br>
>> Dave<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 6:51 PM SelfishSeahorse <<a
href="mailto:selfishseahorse@gmail.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">selfishseahorse@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 11:17, Dave Swarthout <<a
href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> > I'm still not convinced the lanes:smv
tagging scenario is the best solution but were I to change my
mind, how would I tag my turnouts? Here is another screen
shot of the particular section of highway with a turnout on
both sides of the road that I've been discussing (59.752103,
-151.766395 ) with the ways removed for clarity: <a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm6iahw9ch79tuh/slow_vehicle_turnout.jpg?dl=0"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm6iahw9ch79tuh/slow_vehicle_turnout.jpg?dl=0</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> I would probably split the road at every place
where an additional<br>
>>> lane begins or ends, i.e. four times, and would
tag the sections as<br>
>>> follows from right to left (this is the direction
of the highway way):<br>
>>><br>
>>> lanes=2<br>
>>><br>
>>> lanes=3<br>
>>> lanes:forward=2<br>
>>> lanes:backward=1<br>
>>> smv:lanes:forward=|designated<br>
>>> overtaking:lanes:forward=yes|no<br>
>>><br>
>>> lanes=4<br>
>>> lanes:forward=2<br>
>>> lanes:backward=2<br>
>>> smv:lanes:forward=|designated<br>
>>> smv:lanes:backward=|designated<br>
>>> overtaking:lanes:forward=yes|no<br>
>>> overtaking:lanes:backward=yes|no<br>
>>><br>
>>> lanes=3<br>
>>> lanes:forward=1<br>
>>> lanes:backward=2<br>
>>> smv:lanes:backward=|designated<br>
>>> overtaking:lanes:backward=yes|no<br>
>>><br>
>>> lanes=2<br>
>>><br>
>>> In case the turnouts were separated by a barrier,
i think your idea<br>
>>> with highway=service +
service=slow_vehicle_turnout would make sense.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>> Markus<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Dave Swarthout<br>
>> Homer, Alaska<br>
>> Chiang Mai, Thailand<br>
>> Travel Blog at <a
href="http://dswarthout.blogspot.com" rel="noreferrer
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