<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The issue is mostly with how the current standard (as stated here <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier=toll_booth" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth</a>) impacts routing. This is said on the proposal page here "<span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Many current routing softwares add a delay to trip time when encountering the tag </span><tt dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 1em; direction: ltr; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height: 1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barrier" title="Key:barrier" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background: none;" class="">barrier</a></bdi>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth" title="Tag:barrier=toll booth" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background: none;" class=""><bdi class="">toll_booth</bdi></a></tt><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">. However, the delay on these more modern toll collection systems is significantly less; not requiring the driver to stop in most cases. In effect, this means that many drivers will be routed onto a slower route.”</span> This is the major difference. Of course the way itself should be tagged toll=yes. This is a clean way to a) show where the toll begins and b) give the routing software something to account for on the way. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>At the end of your email you talk about alternate names. We discussed many names, but ultimately landed on toll_gantry because the meaning of the word toll is immediately apparent. The term gantry was chosen because it’s meaning is specific and less ambiguous than “toll bridge" the other common name for these fixtures. Much of this is discussed on the proposal’s <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Toll_Gantry" class="">page</a> and <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_Features/Toll_Gantry#How_does_this_differ_from_barrier.3Dtoll_booth.3F" class="">discussion page</a>. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 19, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Jérôme Seigneuret <<a href="mailto:jerome.seigneuret@gmail.com" class="">jerome.seigneuret@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I don't really understand the difference<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">toll_both is a vending machine (or human) with lift gate barrier. It is just an other type of object because in other case you can set really the gantry as line and set on point type camera or other information object.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">camera as set in relation there is an other subject in France "Ecotaxe gantry" </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">highway can be set with fee=yes if this is just that you wan't</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">there is also speed tall access with RFID toll badge ("Télépéage" for frenchies) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">in other way if it's a camera you can set camera type </div><div class="">there is <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" class="">speed_</span><span class="gmail-searchmatch" style="font-weight:bold;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">camera</span><span class="gmail-searchmatch" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> why not simply highway=atc_camera</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think this is only in relation with highway. Isn't It?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">Le mer. 19 sept. 2018 à 17:55, Jonathon McClung <<a href="mailto:jonathon@kaartgroup.com" class="">jonathon@kaartgroup.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><span class="m_-6465161577693755812Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Hello OSM Tagging List!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="m_-6465161577693755812Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Two weeks have come and gone and now the proposal for highway=toll_gantry is up for vote!</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><span class="m_-6465161577693755812Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Please visit <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Toll_Gantry" target="_blank" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Toll_Gantry</a> and cast your vote. If you missed this proposal the first time, still have concerns, or still have questions, please join the discussion. Otherwise, we look forward to seeing your votes!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="m_-6465161577693755812Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thanks!</div><br class=""><div class="">
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