<div><div dir="auto">It sounds this tag will not be used in Sweden. It may not be much use in England either.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But if you’ve seen an America “civic center” or an Indonesian regency office, they are quite distinct from commercial offices. American offices and those in developing countries often seem to be trying to waste as much money as possible on huge plazas, landscaping, and extravagant architecture, while nearby commercial offices are sedate and sensibly rectangular.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">American cities often have separate zoning laws for these areas too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’ll probably still recommend that the Openstreetmap-Carto style render this in the same color as commercial landuse, for simplicity. But the Humanitarian style might want to show civic_admin differently, because they already emphasize government offices</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:20 PM egil <<a href="mailto:egil@riseup.net">egil@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>In Sweden government agencies are actually not allowed to own the
properties they use.</p>
<p>Therefore they have long term tenant contracts with required
minimum level of building maintenance, etc.<br>
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These properties are owned by large private real estate giants
buying and selling from each other.<br>
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The owners see the agency as a tenant, nothing more. If the agency
moves the owner finds any other tenant to rent out the space to.<br>
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I tend to agree with Colins arguments below, because in Sweden
gov. agencies are very mixed into the central spaces of cities but
often not clustered together in large complexes or whole areas.</p>
<p>Cheers</p></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>Egil<br>
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<div class="m_7699085809249906559moz-cite-prefix">On 9/20/18 10:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote:<br>
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<p>Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse
for government functions needs its own tagging. The buildings
are often indistinguishable from commercial properties - what is
different is that the occupier is some statutory organisation.
We don't tag landuse=charity, or landuse=private, or
landuse=education, so why landuse=civic_admin? If you want to
know who the tenant of a certain building is, let's have
tenant=City of Blah and allow this for any building (or campus).
Same arguments against landuse=religious. Why should farm be
tagged as landuse=religious instead of landuse=farmland just
because it is run by monks? Land use is the use a piece of land
is put to, and not WHO is doing the using or WHY they are doing
it. If we want to record those other dimensions, use different
tags instead of further complicating the landuse mess.</p>
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<p>On 2018-09-20 08:25, Andy Townsend wrote:</p>
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<div class="m_7699085809249906559pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace"><span style="white-space:nowrap">On 20/09/18 03:57, John Willis wrote:</span>
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<span style="white-space:nowrap">... Retail is always wrong. Commercial is a crutch.</span><br>
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In your part of the world, perhaps. Elsewhere, this isn't
guaranteed to be the case. Certainly here in the UK many
formerly "civic" services have been privatised and are run for
out-and-out commercial gain; others are run as commercial
entities owned by the government or non-governmental third
sector organisations. What this means is that people will
need to pick the landuse that works best for them in their
local area - to say that something is "always wrong" is, in
OSM, almost always wrong(!).<br>
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<span style="white-space:nowrap">Best Regards,</span><br>
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Andy<br>
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