<div dir="ltr">Edi & change status, I would say. Seems a pretty clear case, just maybe not something many mappers or users are very concerned with. But that's not a problem as long as there is a clear definition, solid data and a steady group of mappers/users. I would say, just do it and document it.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Op zo 23 sep. 2018 om 03:05 schreef Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">For most peaks, it's only necessary to know the elevation of the<br>
nearby saddles and peaks to find the prominence. For example, walk to<br>
the top of the hill and record the elevation. Look around and find any<br>
taller nearby peaks. If there is only 1 taller hill, walk down the<br>
ridge line to the lowest point between the first hill and the taller<br>
hill, then record the saddle elevation. Prominence is then elevation<br>
of the first peak minus the elevation of the saddle.<br>
<br>
It's more difficult for very prominent peaks, where the "key col" or<br>
lowest saddle may be 1000's of kilometers away, but all of these peaks<br>
already have prominence calculated and listed on Wikipedia:<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peaks_by_prominence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peaks_by_prominence</a>,<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_by_highest_point" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_by_highest_point</a>,<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ultras_of_Africa" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ultras_of_Africa</a><br>
<br>
I just remembered that there was an abandoned proposal for this tag.<br>
How do I revive the proposal? Just start editing the page,<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/key:prominence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/key:prominence</a><br>
Or make a new page?<br>
<br>
Joseph<br>
<br>
On 9/23/18, Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 23/09/18 10:00, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:<br>
>> I've been tagging peaks (natural=peak) with the key<br>
>> prominence=<topographic prominence in meters><br>
>><br>
>> Prominence is a natural feature with a use similar to elevation. When<br>
>> I see ele=*, I know how high the top of the peak is, but not how tall<br>
>> the peak is compared to the surrounding land. For example, a hill in<br>
>> my valley may have ele=2000m, but it isn't a mountain: it's a 300m<br>
>> hill that rises out of surrounding land at 1700m.<br>
>><br>
>> Prominence is calculated by subtracting the elevation of the lowest<br>
>> saddle (or "col") from the elevation of the peak:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographic_prominence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographic_prominence</a><br>
>><br>
>> "The prominence of a peak is the minimum height necessary to descend<br>
>> to get from the summit to any higher terrain" or "the height of the<br>
>> peak’s summit above the lowest contour line encircling it but<br>
>> containing no higher summit within it."<br>
>><br>
>> Both of these definitions are the same for all peaks except for the<br>
>> highest peak on a landmass, eg Mount Everest in Eurasia: in this case<br>
>> use the second definition, which means that the tallest peak on a<br>
>> (super-)continent or island is the same as it's elevation.<br>
>><br>
>> This started when I became interested in "peak bagging", where hikers<br>
>> and climbers record the peaks they have summited. There are separate<br>
>> categories based on the prominence of a peak. Gunungbagging.com in<br>
>> Indonesia lists elevation, prominence and names for many peaks here in<br>
>> Indonesia, and the site authors gave permission for the data to be<br>
>> added to Openstreetmap.<br>
>><br>
>> There are other lists of prominent peaks for the rest of the world,<br>
>> but please check if you can use the data based on the license, before<br>
>> adding it to OSM.<br>
>><br>
>> Elevation and prominence can both be calculated from SRTM data, eg by<br>
>> using Opentopomap tiles and finding the highest contour lines around a<br>
>> peak, and the lowest near a saddle.<br>
>><br>
>> Prominence and elevation can be calculated by computer with good data,<br>
>> but for my part of the world the SRTM data is not high enough quality<br>
>> to get good results without cross-checking against aerial imagery.<br>
>> Also the calculations are not simple, and are not precise for sharply<br>
>> pointed peaks or deeply carved saddles, therefore I believe it will be<br>
>> useful to include this data directly in tags.<br>
>><br>
>> I also find that calculation the prominence of peaks has encouraged me<br>
>> to add more ridge lines and saddle points (with elevations), which<br>
>> should make the database more useful in mountainous areas.<br>
>><br>
>> Do you think I should write up a formal proposal for this tag?<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Yes to documenting it.<br>
><br>
> The evaluation of 'prominence' would be to some local area .. what is the<br>
> size of that area?<br>
><br>
> ----------------<br>
> Some will say a formal proposal is 'best'. It is up to you to decide what is<br>
> 'best'.<br>
> But by all means discuss it here.<br>
><br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Vr gr Peter Elderson</div>