<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">the google sheet is not perfect</div><div dir="ltr">better link for view: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DNNuPjjnp6oOXLS2Wtrn__NdCtFN7wy7Lvdm7K1bES0/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DNNuPjjnp6oOXLS2Wtrn__NdCtFN7wy7Lvdm7K1bES0/edit?usp=sharing</a><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Imre Samu <<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 6., Szo, 12:39):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>> think these unclear translations come from the fact different languages make a different split in the world.</div><div>> As an example, in Spanish we have many different words (bar, mesón, restaurante, cantina, café, cafetería, chiringuito, pub/bar de copas, cervecería, bodeguilla, whiskería, taberna, txoko, peña) </div><div>> for what english splits into bar/restaurant/pub/café. </div><div>>Bars are for Spanish language what snow is for inuit language...</div><div> </div><div>agree, there are lots of cultural problems, translating is not easy.</div><div><br></div><div>my aim to create a better translation for every language. Because clear translation -> better data quality </div><div><br></div><div>for example - "<b>words with multiple meanings" </b><br></div><div>imho: there should be a better translation for showing the differences between the <b>amenity=bank vs amenity=bench </b></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>es ( Spanish ) - imho: the editors can see the differences</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>es <b>"Banco" </b> - Bank amenity/bank amenity=bank</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>es <b>"Banco / Asiento"</b> - Bench amenity/bench amenity=bench</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br>but in this cases, I am not sure, that everybody sees the differences: </div><div dir="ltr"> ca ( Catalan, Valencian )</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>ca "Banc" - Bank amenity/bank amenity=bank</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>ca "Banc" - Bench amenity/bench amenity=bench</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>gl ( Galician )</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>gl "Banco" - Bank amenity/bank amenity=bank</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>gl "Banco" - Bench amenity/bench amenity=bench</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>eu ( Basque ) - added yesterday - not in the sheet</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>eu "Banku" - Bank amenity/bank amenity=bank</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>eu "Banku" - Bench amenity/bench amenity=bench</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>imho:</div><div>- The problem, that the translators don't have a tool to detect these problems.</div><div>- (in Hungary) The hardcore OSM mappers don't use iD editor - They prefer JOSM, so very hard to detect translation problems.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div> Imre</div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">José G Moya Y. <<a href="mailto:josemoya@gmail.com" target="_blank">josemoya@gmail.com</a>> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 6., Szo, 9:26):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think these unclear translations come from the fact different languages make a different split in the world. As an example, in Spanish we have many different words (bar, mesón, restaurante, cantina, café, cafetería, chiringuito,
pub/bar de copas, cervecería, bodeguilla, whiskería, taberna, txoko, peña) for what english splits into bar/restaurant/pub/café. Bars are for Spanish language what snow is for inuit language...<div> <div>Obviously the Spanish team is not interested in creating new categories as "amenity:meson: a dirty bar that also serves as cheap restaurant where you can drop olive kernels and prawn carcasses straight into the ground." or "amenity:chiringuito: a kiosk in the seashore where cheap food and drink is served at incredibly expensive prices." </div><div>.</div><div>But some users are interested in making these differences.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>José.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">El vie., 5 oct. 2018 a las 23:52, Imre Samu (<<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>extra:</div><div><br></div><div>Languages - sorted by FREQ of unclear translations : ( descending )<br></div><div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 61 tr<br></font></div></div><div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 59 he</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 50 uk</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 40 da</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 38 it</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 36 ro</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 30 is</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 29 pl</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 27 lt</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 26 ast</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 25 ca</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 24 zh-TW</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 21 no</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 21 fi</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 20 vi</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 20 sl</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 20 ko</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 20 gl</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 20 el</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 19 lv</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 18 hr</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 18 fa</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 18 ar</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 16 sv</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 16 mk</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 16 et</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 14 sr</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 14 sk</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 14 ru</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 12 zh-HK</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 12 zh</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 12 pt-BR</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 12 pt</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 12 es</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 11 zh-CN</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 10 nl</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 10 id</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 10 de</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 10 af</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 8 ta</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 6 hu</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 6 eo</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 4 so</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 4 ja</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 4 dv</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 4 cs</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 4 bs</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 2 te</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 2 ms</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 2 ckb</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 2 bn</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">* 2 bg</font></div></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font>Imre</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Imre Samu <<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 5., P, 23:00):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div>I have created an experimental QA report about the same/unclear translations.<br></div><div>and now about ~450 unclear translations pair detected. <br> ( same translations AND different osm keys! )</div><div><br></div><div>if you know any language - please check! ( discuss in your local osm list! )</div><div><br></div><div>Current status ( you can edit the "C" column - if you fixed ) <br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DNNuPjjnp6oOXLS2Wtrn__NdCtFN7wy7Lvdm7K1bES0/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DNNuPjjnp6oOXLS2Wtrn__NdCtFN7wy7Lvdm7K1bES0/edit?usp=sharing</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>comment:</div><div><br></div><div>presetKey = tags0+tags1+tags2 + ... tags4 </div><div dir="ltr"><div>If you want to understand iD Editor presets </div><div>* <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/data/presets/README.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/data/presets/README.md</a></div><div>* <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#translating" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#translating</a></div></div><div>this is related to: <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5323" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5323</a></div><div><br></div><div>Example:</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fakultetsko zemljište<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>College Grounds<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>amenity/college</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fakultetsko zemljište<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>University Grounds<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>amenity/university</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Groblje<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Cemetery<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/cemetery</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Groblje<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Graveyard<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>amenity/grave_yard</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Knjižara<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Book Store<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/books</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Knjižara<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Stationery Store<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/stationery</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Krojač<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Tailor<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/tailor</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Krojač<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Dressmaker<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>craft/dressmaker</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Odmorište<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Rest Area<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>highway/rest_area</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Odmorište<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Service Area<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>highway/services</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Travnjak<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Grassland<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>natural/grassland</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Travnjak<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Grass<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/grass</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Uspornik<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Speed Bump<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>traffic_calming/bump</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Uspornik<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Speed Hump<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>traffic_calming/hump</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Vinarija<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Wine Shop<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/wine</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Vinarija<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Winery<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>craft/winery</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Zgrada fakulteta<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>College Building<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/college</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">hr<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Zgrada fakulteta<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>University Building<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/university</font></div></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">or</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Campo da bocce<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Bowling Green<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>leisure/pitch/bowls</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Campo da bocce<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Boules/Bocce Court<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>leisure/pitch/boules</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Campo da gioco<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Sport Pitch<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>leisure/pitch</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Campo da gioco<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Recreation Ground<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/recreation_ground</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Capanno<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Shed<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/shed</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Capanno<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Hut<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/hut</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Cimitero<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Graveyard<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>amenity/grave_yard</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Cimitero<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Cemetery<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/cemetery</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Dormitorio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Dormitory<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/dormitory</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Dormitorio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Homeless Shelter<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>amenity/social_facility/homeless_shelter</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Foresta<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Wood<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>natural/wood</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Foresta<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Forest<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/forest</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fotografo<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Photographer<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>craft/photographer</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fotografo<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Photography Store<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/photo</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Garage<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Garage<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/garage</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Garage<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Garages<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/garages</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Girello<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Play Roundabout<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>playground/roundabout</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Girello<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Basket Spinner<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>playground/basket_spinner</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Lavanderia<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Dry Cleaner<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/dry_cleaning</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Lavanderia<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Laundry<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/laundry</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Negozio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Shop<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Negozio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Retail Building<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/retail</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Negozio di elettronica<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Electronics Store<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/electronics</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Negozio di elettronica<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Radio/Electronic Component Store<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/radiotechnics</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Sartoria<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Dressmaker<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>craft/dressmaker</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Sartoria<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Tailor<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/tailor</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Scivolo<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Slide<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>playground/slide</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Scivolo<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Water Slide<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>attraction/water_slide</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Serra<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Greenhouse Horticulture<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/greenhouse_horticulture</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Serra<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Greenhouse<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/greenhouse</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Stadio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Stadium<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>leisure/stadium</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Stadio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Stadium Building<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>building/stadium</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Teleferica<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Goods Aerialway<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>aerialway/goods</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Teleferica<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Zip Wire<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>playground/zipwire</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Tombino<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Manhole<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>manhole</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Tombino<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Storm Drain<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>manhole/drain</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Vivaio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Garden Center<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>shop/garden_centre</div><div>it<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Vivaio<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Plant Nursery<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>landuse/plant_nursery</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div> Imre</div><div><br></div></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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