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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:34 AM bkil <<a
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<div>It seems many would find a short video tutorial
depicting these steps very handy. Would you mind sharing
on Bitchute or on some other video hosting site?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 9:00 AM Dave
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<div>I was wishing that someone would write a short
tutorial about relations, the various concepts about
tagging them, and problem solving when something goes
wrong with one. I have been unable to understand with
any degree of certainty how and why we create them,
which is the reason I started this thread and
contributed to the other one about tagging groups of
lakes. The Wiki is helpful but leaves out a lot of
details. A tutorial, video or otherwise, would be
extremely helpful.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 1:24 PM Mateusz
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<div>I find that video tutorials don't often fit my learning
style, so I don't often use them and have never made one.
Moreover, I'm an old man and somewhat set in my ways.
Nevertheless, they seem to be demanded, and if nobody else
steps forward, perhaps it will be possible to teach this
old dog that new trick. I'd be willing to take a whack at
a written tutorial, but can't promise any particular time
frame. Just at the moment, I'm chronically busy. <br>
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When you want something done, ask a busy person. <br>
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<div>The right place might be the Wiki, but I've two
reservations. First, I've simply burnt my fingers too many
times when touching a Wikipedia page. Perhaps this
community is a trifle less fiery? Second, what I've seen
on OSM's Wiki (as well as Wikipedia and others) is that
editors jump in to add details that make the presentation
more "correct," but less approachable to a newcomer. For
an introductory tutorial, this drift is disastrous,
because introductory material frequently is in the form of
a "lie to children" <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children</a>
that is not techinically accurate, but provides enough of
a mental model to do simple things and prepares the mind
to accept a more complete explanation later.</div>
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I used the OSM diary entry to do Public Transport. Might work for
you . People can make comments under it .. and you can edit the
first entry you made to correct errors and make changes. <br>
See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Warin61/diary/45106">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Warin61/diary/45106</a><br>
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Videos are like lessons... you need to be very well prepared to
present them. Written stuff you can do fairly easily and review
later. A presentation (video/lesson) should be correct the first
time around. For preference .. I'd write it .. much less stress. <br>
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