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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">At the moment mappers can simply tag by
using the name <br>
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embassy<br>
high commission<br>
nunciature<br>
consulate<br>
consulate _general<br>
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etc.<br>
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OSm normally sides with the mappers rather than the renders, keep
the mappers job easy and they will continue to add things. <br>
Make it hard and they will give up. <br>
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So I would continue with the present system where the mappers can
use the name to determine the status. If the renders want they can
chose;<br>
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do all diplomatic things the same (as in now the case)<br>
or distinguish between things .. possibly combining things as you
have. This could be sated on the wiki under rendering. <br>
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</font></font>On 29/10/18 12:45, Allan Mustard wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Here are some rules
of thumb:</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">* If it displays a
sign reading "embassy", "high commission", "nunciature", or
"interests section", it is a safe bet that it should be tagged
"embassy".</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">* If the sending side
has made loud public pronouncements and published widely that
its embassies are now called "people's bureaus" or some other
formulation, it can be safely tagged "embassy".</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">* If it has a sign on
it that says "consulate", it is a consulate, and the sign will
specify what flavor of consulate.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">After that it is
safest to ask somebody at the institution in question whether
it is part of the embassy or consulate (like my American
Center) or not (like TIFA), though status can sometimes be
divined by reading the institution's website. If all else
fails, check the host country's diplomatic list and see if the
chief of mission is on it. If s/he is not listed, the
institution is not diplomatic (diplomatic=other). If s/he is
listed but has a non-diplomatic title (e.g., "director" or
"coordinator" as opposed to "ambassador", "charge d'affaires",
"minister", "counselor", "first/second/third secretary", or
"attache") the mission is pretty clearly not under the VCDR
(diplomatic=other). Here we walk a fine line. TIFA is an
agency of the Turkish government, hence diplomatic=other.
American Councils, which operates our American Corners in
Turkmenistan, is an NGO operating under contract with the U.S.
government, so our American Corners are not diplomatic, but
rather NGO offices (office=ngo). Parsing all of this
constitutes a good excuse to recruit diplomats to OSM to help
with mapping :-)<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Two more examples and
I'll stop--I can hear the eyes rolling all the way from
Ashgabat:</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">* The Apostolic
Nunciature in Ashgabat is headed most of the time by a charge
d'affaires because the nuncio is resident in Ankara and only
visits periodically. The charge d'affaires is nominally the
"cultural attache". Since it is a nunciature, we know it is
under the VCDR.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">* The European Bank
for Reconstruction and Development, the Asian Development
Bank, and the United Nations missions in Ashgabat (there are
two) enjoy diplomatic status under the Bretton Woods
arrangement (the banks) and the UN Charter. Technically that
makes the EBRD and ADB diplomatic missions, but we tag them as
banks, not as embassies (under the new construct we might
however tag them diplomatic=other in addition to tagging them
as banks). The lead UN Mission, in a new construct with
diplomatic=* as a primary tag, would be tagged
diplomatic=other since its head is called "resident
coordinator" and the UN Mission is covered by the UN Charter,
not the VCDR. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Would the lay person
know all this? Not until reading the wiki articles we will
need to compose if a primary diplomatic=* tag is adopted.
Sometimes it is not completely obvious and you have to do a
little research. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/29/2018 3:08 AM, Graeme
Fitzpatrick wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 02:32, Allan Mustard
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* The USAID office is part of the American Embassy but
is in a separate office flat in a building across
town, so would be a node tagged diplomatic=embassy,
embassy=assistance office. <br>
* The Turkish counterpart, TIFA, does not enjoy
diplomatic status so would be tagged diplomatic=other,
other=assistance office. <br>
* The Libyan Economic Cooperation Bureau would be
diplomatic=other, other=trade office because it is
accorded diplomatic status by bilateral agreement, not
the VCDR (there is no Libyan Embassy here). <br>
* The American Center would be a node in an office
building tagged diplomatic=embassy, embassy=cultural
center, while the Iranian Cultural Center would be a
building with the same tags, since both enjoy
diplomatic status as sections of their respective
embassies. <br>
* The Russian Consulate General has its own building
and grounds separate from the embassy, so would be an
enclosed way tagged as diplomatic=consulate,
consulate=consulate general. <br>
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<div>Thank you for a very detailed, very interesting post,
Allan.</div>
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<div>One question, please.</div>
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<div>Is there any way that a layman such as myself would
know that "<span
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Libyan Economic Cooperation Bureau would be
diplomatic=other, other=trade office because it is
accorded diplomatic status by bilateral agreement, not
the VCDR", or is this sort of thing only known to Govt /
diplomatic staff?</span></div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>Graeme </div>
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