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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">This is a contractor,
        so it is not a government office.  The U.S. government does this
        also in high-volume consular districts.  Application is made
        through a contractor, though the interview takes place in the
        consulate.  Office=visa_application would be more accurate,
        since visa adjudication still takes place in the consulate.</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/8/2018 12:37 PM, Johnparis wrote:<br>
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            <div>I tagged one of these office=visa the other day.</div>
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            <div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4374770543"
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            <div>The offices I'm thinking of are private companies that
              have government contracts to provide services that the
              government itself would normally provide. In many cases
              they are indistinguishable from a government office, so
              the question of verifiability enters my mind. <br>
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            <div>For instance, the UK visa office in Paris has big signs
              outside and inside reading "Welcome to Great Britain". I'm
              frankly not sure if the space is rented by the UK or by
              TLS Contact, which holds the contract. <br>
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            <div><a href="https://corp.tlscontact.com"
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            <div>Their staff members gather the information for your
              application, including fingerprints, photos, etc., as well
              as your passport. They then seal this in a clear plastic
              container. After it is sealed, you cannot add or remove
              anything. The fee is set by the UK and paid to TLS
              Contact. <br>
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            <div>The dossier then goes to London, where a decision is
              made on your visa and the entire dossier is returned to
              Paris. You pick it up next door to the original office
              from someone behind bulletproof glass. (You don't learn
              the nature of the decision till you look at your
              passport.) This is the only way to get a UK visa in Paris.
              If you go to the UK Embassy or Consulate, they will direct
              you to the visa office.</div>
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            <div>Is this an "office=government"? It certainly is
              quasi-governmental. Do they provide visa services? Surely
              yes, in my mind. In fact, they are the only place in Paris
              that provide visa services for the UK. If you want to get
              any kind of visa -- long term (expat), tourist, transit --
              that's where you go.</div>
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            <div>So (agreeing with John Willis) I'd say office=visa for
              these.</div>
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            <div>John<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 6:16 AM John Willis
                <<a href="mailto:johnw@mac.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">johnw@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Is the office full of people who you pay
                  to help you apply? Or are they contracted to be the
                  front-otfice of the agency (acceptance &
                  distribution)? Â 
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                  <div>It seems to be the latter. <br>
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                    <div>Think of taxes. </div>
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                    <div>The office where you submit taxes, and an
                      office where a professional helps you prepare the
                      forms are two different places. </div>
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                    <div>Office=tax_preparation and office=tax are
                      different. </div>
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                    <div>If this is some office (public or private) with
                      an official mandate to accept applications and
                      distribute visas (whether approved onsite
                      immidately or approved elsewhere and mailed to the
                      office for distribution), that does sound like
                      office=visa. </div>
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                    <div>If it is some private business who you pay to
                      help you prepare the form, and you mail it to the
                      government and get your visa directly, it sounds
                      like office=visa_preperation or
                      office=immigration_lawyer. </div>
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                    <div>I am unfamiliar with the situation you
                      described - so please choose the best tag that
                      suits your needs. </div>
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                        dir="ltr">Javbw</div>
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                        On Nov 8, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar
                        <<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">seav80@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29
                                AM Warin <<a
                                  href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                  <blockquote type="cite">On Nov 7,
                                    2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <<a
                                      href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:
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style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">1)
                                          this is a commercial firm -
                                          not a government
                                          authority/branch/department/etc</span><br
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
                                        <div> <span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">2)
                                            it 'assist' people to obtain
                                            a visa</span><br
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                                          <span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">3)
                                            it is not at an
                                            airport/seaport/boarder</span><br
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                                          <span
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                                            the visa is obtained before
                                            travel commences.</span><br
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                                  It is an office you go to. You present
                                  documents, they ask questions, you
                                  answer, you pay a fee, <br>
                                  the office fills out forms using that
                                  information provided (and they then
                                  send it off to an embassy/consulate) <br>
                                  and then some time later you get a
                                  visa back from the office (but the
                                  visa itself is actually from the
                                  embassy/consulate). <br>
                                  <br>
                                  In the above situation, what is wrong
                                  with office=visa ? You apply to the
                                  office, they (usually) get you a visa.
                                  <br>
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                              <div>Here, the Japanese consulate never
                                accepts direct visa application and
                                instructs people to only submit visa
                                applications through accredited travel
                                agencies.</div>
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                              </div>
                              <div>On the other hand, many European
                                consulates here contract a 3rd-party
                                visa processing company such as the
                                aforementioned VFS Global to handle all
                                visa applications. These companies even
                                have equipment to collect biometric data
                                such as photographs and fingerprints
                                that will be forwarded to the consulates
                                together with the visa applications.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I would think that the first case
                                should be tagged like other travel
                                agencies because visa handling is just
                                one of their services (they also arrange
                                tours and purchase airline tickets). For
                                the second case, they do nothing else
                                besides processing visa applications on
                                behalf of the contracting consulates. So
                                they are not travel agencies. I think
                                they should indeed be tagged with
                                something like office=visa or better yet
                                office=visa_processing so it is clearer.</div>
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                Tagging mailing list<br>
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