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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Proposed primary
(first-level) key in the current version of the proposal is
office=diplomatic. </font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/2018 4:56 PM, Sergio Manzi
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hello Allan,</p>
<p>sorry, I'm a late comer to the discussion, so there might be
something I've/am missed/missing, but...</p>
<p>From your description I understand that "embassy=*",
"consulate=*" and "liaison=*" will be new first level keys:
wouldn't it be better to make them secondary level keys under
the "diplomatic" <i>namespace</i>, exactly as you are proposing
for "services" (<i>and maybe also add "services"" as a possible
value for "diplomatic=*"</i>) ?</p>
<p>We should then have:</p>
<ul style="list-style-type: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px

1.6em;
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url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22 width=%225%22


height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22


r=%222.5%22 fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E %3C/svg%3E");">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:
monospace,

 monospace; font-size: 1em; direction:
ltr; background:

 rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height:
1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:embassy&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:embassy (page does not

exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color:

rgb(165, 88,
 88); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">diplomatic:embassy</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of [yes, high_commission, nunciature,
interests_section, mission, delegation, branch_embassy,
residence]</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:
monospace,

 monospace; font-size: 1em; direction:
ltr; background:

 rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height:
1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:consulate&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:consulate (page does
not

 exist)" style="text-decoration: none;
color:
 rgb(165,
 88, 88); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">diplomatic:consulate</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of {yes, consulate_general, consular_agency,
consular_office, honorary_consul]</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:
monospace,

 monospace; font-size: 1em; direction:
ltr; background:

 rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height:
1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:liaison&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:liaison (page does not

exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color:

rgb(165, 88,
 88); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">diplomatic:liaison</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of [liaison_office, representative_office,
subnational];</li>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sergio<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-11-11 12:40, Allan Mustard
wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Here, please take a
look at the updated Tagging section of the proposal and see
if that solves the issue. I include a link to the Wikipedia
article on ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/office%3Ddiplomatic#Tagging"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/office%3Ddiplomatic#Tagging</a><br>
</p>
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text-decoration-color: initial;"><b>Current Proposal:</b></p>
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 14px; font-style:
normal;
 font-variant-ligatures: normal;

font-variant-caps: normal;
 font-weight: 400;

letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:

start;
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space:

 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
0px;
 -webkit-text-stroke-width:
 0px;
background-color: rgb(255,
 255, 255);
text-decoration-style:
 initial;

text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">establish formally the<span> </span><tt
dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="font-family:

 monospace, monospace;
font-size: 1em; direction: ltr;

 background:
rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height: 1.6;"><bdi
style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office"
title="Key:office" style="text-decoration:

underline;
 color: rgb(11, 0, 128);
background:
 none;" moz-do-not-send="true">office</a></bdi>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Tag:office=diplomatic (page does

not
 exist)" style="text-decoration: none;
color:
 rgb(165, 88,
 88); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true"><bdi>diplomatic</bdi></a></tt><span> </span>primary
tag/key value combination, with the following additional
(secondary and tertiary) tags:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px

1.6em;
 padding: 0px; list-style-image:


url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22
width=%225%22

 height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle
cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22

 r=%222.5%22
fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E %3C/svg%3E");">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:

monospace,
 monospace; font-size: 1em;
direction:
 ltr; background:
 rgb(238, 238,
255); line-height:
 1.6;"><bdi style="white-space:
nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diplomatic"
title="Key:diplomatic"
style="text-decoration:
 none;
 color:
rgb(11, 0, 128); background:
 none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">diplomatic</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of [embassy, consulate, liaison]
<ul style="list-style-type: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px

0px
 1.6em; padding: 0px;
list-style-image:


url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22

width=%225%22
 height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle

cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22
 r=%222.5%22

fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E %3C/svg%3E");">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:

monospace,
 monospace; font-size: 1em;

direction: ltr; background:
 rgb(238, 238,
255);
 line-height: 1.6;"><bdi
style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:embassy&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:embassy (page does

not
 exist)" style="text-decoration:
none;
 color:
 rgb(165, 88, 88);
background: none;" moz-do-not-send="true">embassy</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of [yes, high_commission, nunciature,
interests_section, mission, delegation,
branch_embassy, residence]</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:

monospace,
 monospace; font-size: 1em;

direction: ltr; background:
 rgb(238, 238,
255);
 line-height: 1.6;"><bdi
style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:consulate&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:consulate (page
does
 not
 exist)"
style="text-decoration: none;
 color:

rgb(165, 88, 88); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">consulate</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of {yes, consulate_general,
consular_agency, consular_office, honorary_consul]</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:

monospace,
 monospace; font-size: 1em;

direction: ltr; background:
 rgb(238, 238,
255);
 line-height: 1.6;"><bdi
style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:liaison&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:liaison (page does

not
 exist)" style="text-decoration:
none;
 color:
 rgb(165, 88, 88);
background: none;" moz-do-not-send="true">liaison</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>with
key values of [liaison_office,
representative_office, subnational];</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul style="list-style-type: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px

1.6em;
 padding: 0px; list-style-image:


url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22 width=%225%22


height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22

r=%222.5%22
 fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E
%3C/svg%3E");
 color: rgb(34, 34,
 34);
font-family: sans-serif; font-size:
 14px; font-style:
normal;
 font-variant-ligatures: normal;

font-variant-caps: normal;
 font-weight: 400;

letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:

start;
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space:

 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
0px;
 -webkit-text-stroke-width:
 0px;
background-color: rgb(255,
 255, 255);
text-decoration-style:
 initial;

text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">establish formally
diplomatic:services:*=[yes/no] additional (tertiary) tag
with the following options:
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1.6em;
 padding: 0px; list-style-image:


url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22
width=%225%22

 height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle
cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22

 r=%222.5%22
fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E %3C/svg%3E");">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">
<ul style="list-style-type: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px

0px
 1.6em; padding: 0px;
list-style-image:


url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22

width=%225%22
 height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle

cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22
 r=%222.5%22

fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E %3C/svg%3E");">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">diplomatic:services:non-immigrant_visas*=[yes/no]</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">diplomatic:services:immigrant_visas=[yes/no]</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">diplomatic:services:citizen_services=[yes/no];
and</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul style="list-style-type: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px

1.6em;
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url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22 width=%225%22


height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22

r=%222.5%22
 fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E
%3C/svg%3E");
 color: rgb(34, 34,
 34);
font-family: sans-serif; font-size:
 14px; font-style:
normal;
 font-variant-ligatures: normal;

font-variant-caps: normal;
 font-weight: 400;

letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:

start;
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space:

 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
0px;
 -webkit-text-stroke-width:
 0px;
background-color: rgb(255,
 255, 255);
text-decoration-style:
 initial;

text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">deprecate the
amenity=embassy tag over a period of time.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin: 0.5em 0px; line-height: inherit; color:

rgb(34,
 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size:
14px;
 font-style:
 normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal;
 font-variant-caps: normal;
 font-weight:
400;
 letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:

start;
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space:

 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
0px;
 -webkit-text-stroke-width:
 0px;
background-color: rgb(255,
 255, 255);
text-decoration-style:
 initial;

text-decoration-color: initial;">Additional tags routinely
used would include:</p>
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1.6em;
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url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg


xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22 width=%225%22


height=%2213%22%3E %3Ccircle cx=%222.5%22 cy=%229.5%22

r=%222.5%22
 fill=%22%2300528c%22/%3E
%3C/svg%3E");
 color: rgb(34, 34,
 34);
font-family: sans-serif; font-size:
 14px; font-style:
normal;
 font-variant-ligatures: normal;

font-variant-caps: normal;
 font-weight: 400;

letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:

start;
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space:

 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
0px;
 -webkit-text-stroke-width:
 0px;
background-color: rgb(255,
 255, 255);
text-decoration-style:
 initial;

text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:
monospace,

 monospace; font-size: 1em; direction:
ltr; background:

 rgb(238, 238, 255);
line-height: 1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:country"
title="Key:country" style="text-decoration: none;

color:
 rgb(11, 0, 128); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">country</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>where
* is the<span> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2">two-character
ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code</a></span><span> </span>for the
sending country or organization or the generally accepted
English acronym for an international organization (e.g., UN,
OSCE);</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:
monospace,

 monospace; font-size: 1em; direction:
ltr; background:

 rgb(238, 238, 255);
line-height: 1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name"
title="Key:name" style="text-decoration: none;

color:
 rgb(11, 0, 128); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">name</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>where
* is the name of the mission;</li>
<li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr" style="font-family:
monospace,

 monospace; font-size: 1em; direction:
ltr; background:

 rgb(238, 238, 255);
line-height: 1.6;"><bdi style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:target"
title="Key:target" style="text-decoration: none;

color:
 rgb(11, 0, 128); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">target</a></bdi>=*</tt><span> </span>where
* is the<span> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2">two-character
ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code</a></span><span> </span>for the
receiving (accrediting) country or organization or the
generally accepted English acronym for an international
organization (e.g., UN, OSCE, NATO, WTO). If a mission is
accredited to multiple countries or organizations, * will
constitute a semicolon-delimited list of tags, e.g.,<span> </span><tt
dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="font-family:

 monospace, monospace;
font-size: 1em; direction: ltr;

 background:
rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height: 1.6;"><bdi
style="white-space: nowrap;"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:target"
title="Key:target" style="text-decoration: none;

color:
 rgb(11, 0, 128); background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true">target</a></bdi>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:target%3DUS;CA&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Tag:target=US;CA (page does not
exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165,
88,
 88);
 background: none;"
moz-do-not-send="true"><bdi>US;CA</bdi></a></tt><span> </span>for
a mission accredited to both the United States and Canada.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin: 0.5em 0px; line-height: inherit; color:

rgb(34,
 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size:
14px;
 font-style:
 normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal;
 font-variant-caps: normal;
 font-weight:
400;
 letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:

start;
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space:

 normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
0px;
 -webkit-text-stroke-width:
 0px;
background-color: rgb(255,
 255, 255);
text-decoration-style:
 initial;

text-decoration-color: initial;">and of course the address and
other contact information.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/2018 3:52 PM, Colin Smale
wrote:<br>
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<div>But wouldn't it be covered by the name eg
"Australian Embassy to Russia"?</div>
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<div>We should not rely on free-text fields like
"name" to convey information that belongs in a
structured form...</div>
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<br>
The text clearly identifies the object as;<br>
an Embassy<br>
The 'from' country as Australia<br>
the 'to' country ... as Russia ... though this may also
include other countries too ..and would be indicated by an
enclosure by that county.</blockquote>
<p>You miss the point... The fact that the words "Australian
Embassy" and/or "to Russia" occur in the "name" tag is not
enough for an automated processor to unambiguously
understand that the sending nation is the Commonwealth of
Australia and the receiving nation is the Russian
Federation. All these words can be written in any language
of the world. Hence the need for the "from," "to" and
"function" concepts to be modelled with a curated list of
values - there are only so many countries and international
organisations (in this sense) in the world, and those lists
are pretty static.</p>
<p>Enclosure won't work for missions to international
organisations or the Vatican either. There are (IIRC) also
arrangements between countries such that the embassy of A in
country B also represents country C under certain
circumstances. This also doesn't fit nicely with the
"from"/"to" model. On wikipedia they are called "De facto
embassies":</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto_embassy"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto_embassy</a></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a>
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