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    <p>Don't you see it <b>possible</b> that sms payment can be made
      through different clearinghouses/operators? Really?</p>
    <p>Cheers!</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-11-29 14:13, Michael Brandtner
      wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:1120359206.14606682.1543497207243@mail.yahoo.com">
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">If I
          pay per SMS, then I don't pay per app. It doesn't make sense
          to have both in the same key. I do like bkil's suggestions but
          do think that the tags should be as specific as possible, even
          if that means to have multiple keys with the same value.</div>
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">So for
          example:</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">payment:sms=yes</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">payment:AppName1=yes</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">payment:AppName2y=yes</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">ref:sms=12345</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">contact:sms=0127</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">ref:AppName1=12345</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">ref:AppName2=12345</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">This
          leads me to another interesting question: Should these be
          added to amenity=parking or to vending=parking_tickets? </div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61428" dir="ltr">In my
          opinion it makes more sense to add them to the parking lot
          itself because I don't need the ticket machine if I use pay by
          phone. But the wiki only suggests payment=* keys for
          vending=parking_tickets, not for amenity=parking.</div>
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              <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61629"><font
                  id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61678" size="2"
                  face="Arial"> Sergio Manzi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:smz@smz.it"><smz@smz.it></a> schrieb
                  am 21:15 Mittwoch, 28.November 2018:<br>
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                    <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61628">Sorry,
                      but it should be:</div>
                    <blockquote
                      id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61470">
                      <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61469"><tt
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61478">payment:sms=yes</tt><tt><br
                            clear="none">
                        </tt><tt
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61477">payment:<a
                            rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                            class="yiv7184979538moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61679"
                            href="" moz-do-not-send="true">sms:WhateverPayApp=yes</a></tt><tt><br
                            clear="none">
                        </tt><tt
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61476">payment:</tt><tt
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61780"><tt>sms:</tt>WhateverPayApp:contact=<phone
                          number to send></tt><tt><br clear="none">
                        </tt><tt
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61468">payment:</tt><tt
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61781"><tt>sms:</tt>WhateverPayApp:ref:payment=<code
                          to send></tt></div>
                    </blockquote>
                    <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61479">because,
                      sooner or later, multiple payment
                      options/clearingouse/apps could be supported and
                      each should have its info.</div>
                    <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61680">The
                      "ref:" could be go, IMHO...<br clear="none">
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                    <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_62091">Cheers,</div>
                    <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_62368">Sergio
                      Manzi</div>
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                    <div class="yiv7184979538moz-cite-prefix"
                      id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61558">On
                      2018-11-28 21:07, bkil wrote:<br clear="none">
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                      <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_61704">payment:sms=yes
payment:WhateverPayApp=yes
contact:sms=<phone number to send>
ref:payment=<code to send>

As an alternative, ref:sms=* would also work for me, though I think
it's redundant if the code is the same for all payment options.
ref:payment:sms=* sounds a bit excessive, but would be the most
correct tagging. However, OSM strives for consistency and
mapper-friendliness more than "correct" tagging in most cases, so I.

I would definitely mark the exact payment variety, like

* payment:sms=*,
* payment:app=* or even better payment:WhateverPayApp=*,
* payment:mastercard_contactless=*.

I don't recommend using payment:pay_by_phone=* or
payment:contactless=* due to the sheer number of incompatible
different payment solutions (see wiki). It sounds worse to me than
payment:debit_cards=* that many disapprove of, while I do use
payment:debit_cards=* myself. I actually wanted to bring this up in a
new topic recently:

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                          <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_62115">payment:contactless=*
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                      <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_62118">Contactless payment on Wikipedia and Contactless smart card on Wikipedia
Used to indicate that a venue has 'contactless' (RFID/NFC-based) bank
card readers. You may consider adding the precise variety of
contactless smart card accepted: payment:expresspay=*,
payment:mastercard_contactless=* (formerly payment:paypass=*),
payment:visa_contactless=* (alternatively payment:paywave=*),
payment:quickpass=*, payment:quicpay=* (overseas J/Speedy, commonly
payment:QUICPay=*), payment:rupay_contactless=*, payment:zip=*,
payment:mifare=*
(wikipedia:en:MIFARE#Places_that_use_MIFARE_products),
payment:felica=*(wikipedia:en:FeliCa#Card_usage), payment:wechat=*
(wikipedia:en:WeChat#WeChat_Pay_payment_services), payment:alipay=*
(wikipedia:en:Alipay#Comparison_with_other_payment_systems),
payment:venmo=*. Not to be confused with contactless electronic
variants of payment:meal_vouchers=* and payment:electronic_purses=*
that are used in-house at many places. <<

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:29 AM Philip Barnes <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7184979538moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><phil@trigpoint.me.uk></a> wrote:
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                        <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre">On 21 November 2018 12:45:30 GMT, Michael Brandtner <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7184979538moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:brandtner_michael@yahoo.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:brandtner_michael@yahoo.de" moz-do-not-send="true"><brandtner_michael@yahoo.de></a> wrote:
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                          <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre">Philip Barnes <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7184979538moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><phil@trigpoint.me.uk></a> schrieb am 23:29 Dienstag,
20.November 2018:

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                            <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre">I am not 100% sure that mobile payment is the correct term, that to
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                          <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre">me implies using your phone for contactless payment.
But wouldn't that be payment:contactless?

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                            <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre">The English term used in these cases is Pay by Phone.
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                          <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre">So your suggestion is payment:pay_by_phone and ref:pay_by_phone?
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                        <pre class="yiv7184979538moz-quote-pre" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1543478287152_62466">That is correct, pay by phone is the normal English usage.

Phil (trigpoint)
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