<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 19:30, Kevin Kenny <<a href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com">kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com</a>>: <br>If it's neither a component of the name of the place nor a formal designation of a political boundary, can you explain more why it's important? Is it immediately obvious in the field that one thing is a 'gorod' and another is a 'gorodskoy posyolok,' while a third is a 'perevnya?' If so, what is the difference? What's the problem we're trying to solve? </blockquote><div>They cannot be put into name tag because they are not part of the proper name. It would be like renaming "Paris" into "Paris city". </div><div>Neither the admin boundary scheme can help here because one settlements of different local category can belong to one and the same admin level.</div><div>Here are a couple of cases when the knowlege of these local categories is needed.</div><div><div>* They are used in address strings</div></div><div>* They are sumtimes displayed in maps to resolve ambiguousness (when two neighbourhood settlement have one and the same name and differ only in category name).</div><div>* There is a common practice in Belarus to draw residential area of different settlemnet types in different color.</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 19:48, Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:38 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">For example I would see the distinction between a hamlet and a village in a functional criterion, while in Europe it is often clear what is a town and what is a big village, from looking at the legal situation (history is usually important), it can be in the name / people usually know it.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In the UK, many many years ago, these distinctions applied:</div><div><br></div>To be a city the place had to have a cathedral.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">To be a town the place had to have a market.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">To be a village the place had to have a church.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">To be a hamlet it didn't even have a church but did have more than one dwelling.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">The distinctions were never that hard and fast, and have only loosened over time. A city now has a</div><div class="gmail_quote">cathedral or a royal charter or a university or just feels like calling itself a city. A large village in England</div><div class="gmail_quote">can be larger than a large town in Wales. Some towns no longer have markets, but once did.</div><div class="gmail_quote">Some villages no longer have churches, but once did. Etc.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I see that the wiki suggests using those terms as an indicator of population rather than anything else.</div><div class="gmail_quote">Since some renderers assume those values are indicators of population, maybe that's what we</div><div class="gmail_quote"> should be using explicitly and drop the city/town/village/hamlet. Except, of course, population is often</div><div class="gmail_quote"> left untagged (and is sometimes that information is simply not available).</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">The real world is messy.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">-- <br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Paul</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div>
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