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    <p>I mean, in a more general way and going back to the pond case,</p>
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      <p>object 1:<br>
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        <p><tt>natural=water</tt><tt><br>
          </tt><tt>water=pond</tt><tt><br>
          </tt><tt>water:RU=пруд</tt></p>
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      <p>object 2<br>
      </p>
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        <p><tt>natural=water</tt><tt><br>
          </tt><tt>water=pond</tt><tt><br>
          </tt>
          <tt>water:RU=копанка</tt></p>
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    <p>would respect both <b>our </b>sensibility to "see" the two
      objects as ponds and <b>their </b>sensibility to "see" the two
      as whatever they think they are.</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-12-06 01:37, Sergio Manzi
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>In this case I think the "alt_name:ru" tag solution could be a
        very good solution (<i>but I leave this to our Russian friend to
          decide...</i>), but why do you see that preferable to the
        water:ru=озеро solution?<span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
        </span></p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-12-06 01:29, Joseph Eisenberg
        wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="auto">I forgot to mention that it is already
              possible to add “<span style="font-family:monospace">озеро” </span>with
              expiation alternative name tags. For example, here in
              Indonesia a river might have </div>
            <div dir="auto">waterway=river</div>
            <div dir="auto">name=Baliem</div>
            <div dir="auto">name:id=Sungai Baliem</div>
            <div dir="auto">name:en=Baliem River</div>
            <div dir="auto">alt_name:id=Kali Baliem</div>
            <div dir="auto">“Sungai” is the word for river in standard
              Indonesian and “Kali” is a dialectal variant.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">So in Russia it might be appropriate to tag
              Lake Baikal like this:</div>
            <div dir="auto">natural=water</div>
            <div dir="auto">water=lake</div>
            <div dir="auto">name=Байкал</div>
            <div dir="auto">name:ru=Байкал</div>
            <div dir="auto">name:en=Lake Baikal</div>
            <div dir="auto">alt_name:ru=Байкал <span
                style="font-family:monospace">озеро</span></div>
            <div dir="auto"><font face="monospace">(</font>Or is it “<span
                style="font-family:monospace">озеро </span>Байкал“?)<br>
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        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">WITh this tagging, a search for “<span
            style="font-family:monospace">озеро” and “</span>Байкал”
          should work fine.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">This may also help foreign visitors who might
          not know the Russian word for lake.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">-Joseph</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:28 AM Joseph Eisenberg
          <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:</div>
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                  <div dir="auto">Assuming that “<span
                      style="font-family:monospace">озеро” </span>is a
                    more or less direct translation of “lake”, then the
                    Russian use is going to have to search for
                    “water=lake”, though I hope someone will make a
                    translation interface for Overpass Turbo that will
                    understand natural language queries.</div>
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                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto">You wouldn’t suggest that I add tags
                  such as “alam=air” and “air=danau” to every lake in
                  your country so that Indonesians can search in their
                  own language, perhaps?</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto">(That’s “natural=water” and “water=lake”
                  in Bahasa Indonesia. Yes, “air” means “water”)</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto">-Joseph</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:19 AM Sergio
                      Manzi <<a href="mailto:smz@smz.it"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">smz@smz.it</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <p>I understand your concerns and tend to agree,
                          but how would you manage the situation where a
                          Russian want to name the lake as it is known
                          in his language, just "Байкал" (<i>assuming
                            this is the case...</i>), but also wanting
                          to find it with the "<tt>озеро</tt>" (lake)
                          keyword?<br>
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class="m_-602103221692335699m_2334062795273587175m_3827350240693142340m_6604445123620933190moz-cite-prefix">On
                          2018-12-06 00:12, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">But I don’t see a need
                          to translate water=lake into Russian; lest we
                          have to do this for every tag in every
                          language. But I believe the Editor
                          applications, like JOSM and ID, will provide a
                          Russian translation for mappers.</blockquote>
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