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    <p>Eugene, those are "<i>proper names</i>" and as such they are
      untranslatable, and that's exactly why to put a category name
      within a proper name is "<i>a very bad idea (tm)</i>". But if a
      proper name happens to have a category has part of its proper
      name, just leave it alone... no problem...</p>
    <p>Cheers!</p>
    <p>Sergio</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-12-06 13:30, Eugene Podshivalov
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      <div dir="ltr">And how would you translate into French such
        American waterway=stream's as 
        “Bull Run”, “Walker Creek”, “Johnson’s Brook”, etc. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr">чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:25, Eugene Podshivalov
          <<a href="mailto:yaugenka@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">yaugenka@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Sergio,
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                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">how would you
                    make up the name for one of yours<tt> </tt><tt><tt>пруд</tt> </tt>or <tt>копанка</tt> in
                    English<tt>?</tt>  </blockquote>
                  <div>Let me please answer your question with a
                    question</div>
                  <div>How to you translate your French
                    highway=residential's into in English like "Cité
                    Pasteur", "Rue André Bru", "Voie des Roses" etc?</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:17, Eugene
              Podshivalov <<a href="mailto:yaugenka@gmail.com"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">yaugenka@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">I am pursonally not in favour of the
                solution with category names in the "name" but have
                mentioned it because it is currently used in every
                country for highway=residential ways.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:08, Sergio Manzi
                  <<a href="mailto:smz@smz.it" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">smz@smz.it</a>>:<br>
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                    <p>That's (<i>quite obviously I would say...</i>)
                      not a solution: all it does is to move the problem
                      from one place to another: how would you make up
                      the name for one of yours<tt> </tt><tt><tt>пруд</tt>
                      </tt>or <tt>копанка</tt> in English<tt>?</tt></p>
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                      2018-12-06 12:51, Eugene Podshivalov wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Another solution is to always put
                        category name into "name" field. "Paris" would
                        become "City of Paris" or "Paris city".
                        <div>And the renderers will need to decide how
                          to cut the category word from some names in
                          order not to display then on the map or
                          another ready-to-use tag will need to be
                          inroduce which would contain just "Paris" in
                          it.</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 13:52, Simon
                          Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">simon@poole.ch</a>>:<br>
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                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Just to inject a bit
                          of OT here<br>
                          <br>
                          - the EN name of the Vierwaldstättersee is
                          Lake Lucerne<br>
                          <br>
                          - the literal translation is "lake of the four
                          forest settlements" (only<br>
                          loosely related to the notion of cantons)<br>
                          <br>
                          In both cases naming the lake  "Lucerne" or
                          "Vierwaldstätten" would<br>
                          obviously be nonsense.<br>
                          <br>
                          Simon<br>
                          <br>
                          Am 05.12.2018 um 19:55 schrieb marc marc:<br>
                          > Le 05. 12. 18 à 19:36, Eugene Podshivalov
                          a écrit :<br>
                          >> The name tag is abused very often and
                          systematically.  <br>
                          >> <a
                            href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.86138/2.36028"
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                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.86138/2.36028</a><br>
                          > just because a hotel's name contains the
                          word hotel does not necessarily <br>
                          > mean it is a false name. Some names are
                          "hotêl abc" and not "abc"<br>
                          ><br>
                          > the same for the lakes.<br>
                          > the lake near Geneva (France/Switzerland)
                          is indeed called "Léman"<br>
                          > and it is a tautology (an error) to say
                          Lake Léman.<br>
                          > But the "lake of the 4 cantons" in
                          Switzerland is called the "lake of <br>
                          > the 4 cantons". If you ask someone where
                          "of the 4 cantons" are located, <br>
                          > he don't understand what you're talking
                          about because that not its name.<br>
                          >
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