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<p>Joseph, I take note of your opinion (<i>but I beg to differ as I
was thinking in a general/theoretical way and not specifically
to the example brought on by Eugene</i>).<br>
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<p>Just let me clarify that in my examples the English tag were
always present (<i>there were always water=pond</i>): <b>that was
on purpose</b> as I never thought about features tagged by
language-specific tags <b>only</b>.<br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sergio</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-12-06 02:16, Joseph Eisenberg
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<div dir="auto">It’s difficult enough that Indonesians have to
understand English to use OpenStreetMap effectively, or at
least have to find English-based tags that match Indonesian
words. But if we encourage inventing tagging things in
hundreds of languages it will become even more difficult to
use this global database.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I’d suggest that the original poster, Eugene
Podshivaliv, or other Russian language speakers, talk about what
defines the difference between the two types of pond, “<span
style="font-family:monospace">пруд” </span>and “<span
style="font-family:monospace">копанка</span>”, and then make a
new subtag for pond=*</div>
<div dir="auto">If there is no better word we could even use pond=<span
style="font-family:monospace">копанка</span> for example, but
I suspect that it could be translated.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If there is no consistent difference between the
two words, then a new tag should not be used.</div>
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<div dir="auto">For example, in America we can call a
waterway=stream a “brook”, “creek”, “run” and several other
things. These waterways will be tagged waterway=stream or =river
(depending on size) with name=“Bull Run”, =“Walker Creek”,
=“Johnson’s Brook”, etc. </div>
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<div dir="auto">We don’t use waterway=creek or waterway=run
because there is no consistent difference between these. In fact
in Standard British English a Creek is often a tidal channel in
a salt marsh or mangroves.</div>
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<div dir="auto">OSM tags should have a consistent definition.</div>
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<div dir="auto">On the other hand, a name can contain whatever the
feature is called locally, and this can include pond, lake,
mere, tarn, brook, stream, creek, run, etc.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So it would be best to use one of the many
existing name tags to include the local term, which is often
considered part of the name. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Eg, alt_name:ru=, loc_name=, official_name= etc,
as appropriate based on local usage.</div>
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<div dir="auto">-Joseph</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:47 AM Sergio Manzi
<<a href="mailto:smz@smz.it" moz-do-not-send="true">smz@smz.it</a>>
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<p>I mean, in a more general way and going back to the
pond case,</p>
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<p>object 1:<br>
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<p><tt>natural=water</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>water=pond</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>water:RU=пруд</tt></p>
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<p>object 2<br>
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<p><tt>natural=water</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>water=pond</tt><tt><br>
</tt> <tt>water:RU=копанка</tt></p>
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<p>would respect both <b>our </b>sensibility to "see"
the two objects as ponds and <b>their </b>sensibility
to "see" the two as whatever they think they are.</p>
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<div class="m_1856008467054221741moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-12-06 01:37, Sergio Manzi wrote:<br>
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<p>In this case I think the "alt_name:ru" tag solution
could be a very good solution (<i>but I leave this to
our Russian friend to decide...</i>), but why do you
see that preferable to the water:ru=озеро solution?</p>
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