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<div style="16px" text-align="left">New keys are much, much better than new values for tags well established as<br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">having boolean values.<br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">intermittent=yes/no values are easy to interpret and sufficient for many uses<br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">As someone involved a bit in using OSM data I am not against mapping extra detail<br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">but I am against forcing everybody to start supporting new values in a well designed simple tag.<br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">intermittent=ephemeral_dry_season is similar to <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">tagging lane count with highway=motorway_with_5_lanes<br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Dec 13, 2018, 1:52 AM by smz@smz.it:<br /></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><p>Hello Warin,<br /></p><p>I think that extending the defined values for intermittent=*
could yield the same result and convey the very same information <b>without
adding a new tag</b> (<i>don't we have enough?</i>)<br /></p><p>Assuming (<i>and this is just an assumption at this time...</i>)
that we are able to define a correct and agreed cutoff value for
the frequency of an event for it to be defined <i>ephemeral </i>vs. <i>intermittent</i>, then we could simply add the following keys
for intermittent=*:<br /></p><ul><li>ephemeral_spring<br /></li><li>ephemeral_summer<br /></li><li>ephemeral_autumn<br /></li><li>ephemeral_winter<br /></li><li>ephemeral_dry_season<br /></li><li>ephemeral_wet_season<br /></li></ul><p>... and be happy with that! :-)<br /></p><p>Cheers,<br /></p><p>Sergio<br /></p><p><br /></p><div class="">On 2018-12-13 00:14, Warin wrote:<br /></div><blockquote class="" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">Hi <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> I have reworked the ephemeral proposal. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> This now demonstrates; <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> the difference between intermittent and seasonal - some want to
combine them into one and see the ephemeral key as just another
intermittent/seasonal thing so they vote no. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> that ephemeral applies to more that just streams - some want it as
a sub key to streams .. that is not possible if it applies to
other things, these people too vote no. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> It now draws on the seasonal page to demonstrate the use of the
seasonal values. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> I see this key being used by the experienced local who can draw on
local knowledge. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> The arm chair satellite mapper will have to stick with
intermittent as they will not be able to determine if seasonal nor
ephemeral apply, they may not even be able to determine
intermittent. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> I hope this proposal page is now somewhat clearer? <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <a class="" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ephemeral" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ephemeral</a> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> --------------------------- <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> I may do a dairy entry on seasonal, intermittent and ephemeral.
Looks to me like a lot of confusion probably promoted by the use
of intermittent everywhere. <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> _______________________________________________ <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> Tagging mailing list <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <a class="" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a> <br /></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> <a class="" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a> <br /></div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br /></div> </body>
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