<div dir="ltr"><div>Tobias wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>"Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think that we could abandon the tag altogether."<br></div><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div><br></div><div>I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in some cases it simply isn't worth the effort. These objects are just temporary accommodations that, granted, have varying characteristics. Here in Thailand, it's virtually impossible to differentiate between a guest_house and a hotel. And how should one tag facilities that label themselves as a "resort" (รีสอร์ท)? A better approach might (have been) to use a generic term like tourism=accommodation as a top level and then describe the facility more fully with subtags. Of course, we're pretty much stuck with the present imperfect tagging situation. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Dave<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 PM Tobias Wrede <<a href="mailto:list@tobias-wrede.de">list@tobias-wrede.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">In Germany my experience is that
actually most hotels in the cities charge for parking. On the
other hand you find very very few that call themselves "motel". I
can only think of one currently that does, and it is located
within a motorway rest area. The exception is the chain Motel One
which is a very typical _h_otel often located in city centers
offering only limited parking.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">When I think of a motel I always
picture those with doors opening to the car park from US movies.
Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical
distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think
that we could abandon the tag altogether. What value does it
generate for the data consumer if tourism=motel and tourism=hotel
is all but the same and practical distinction could for both be
made by subtags parking=y/n, parking:fee=y/n, etc?</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.12.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Joseph
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In the USA, we would also assume a motel offers free parking.
Hotels may charge extra for parking, especial if located downtown
or next to an airport.<br>
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Is this also the case in Europe and Australia?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dave Swarthout
<<a href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com" target="_blank">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>"Today the main difference seems to be the sign out
front. If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a
motel. If it calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel. Local
licensing authorities do not differentiate between them
and they are regulated identically, so far as I can tell.
I'd say the definition should be based on what is written
on the sign on the hostelry." <br>
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<div>That's my main criterion for tagging an accommodation
as a motel. I agree with Volker's points and Allan's view
on this.</div>
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<div>Happy Holidays</div>
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<div>Dave<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:27 AM Allan Mustard
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<div dir="ltr">Motel = MOtor hoTEL
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<div>The major difference between a 'hotel" and a
"motel" originally was the configuration of the
building with respect to parking. At a traditionally
designed motel, the cars are parked outside the units,
which typically open to the outdoors, not to a
hallway, so that patrons of the motel may come and go
freely to their automobiles. Length of stay is
immaterial. </div>
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<div>The first motels appeared on the Lincoln Highway in
the 1920s, if memory serves, and had little carports
capable of accommodating a Model T Ford-sized
automobile next to a cabin (yes, the first motels
featured cabins, not rooms in a larger building). </div>
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<div>Then along came Motel 6, so called because it
charged $6 per night back in the day (it featured
coin-operated TVs and you paid extra for everything
but the bed, bath, and four walls). Many Motel 6s had
hallways, and that changed the design, but they still
catered to transients en route from Point A to Point
B.</div>
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<div>Today the main difference seems to be the sign out
front. If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a
motel. If it calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel.
Local licensing authorities do not differentiate
between them and they are regulated identically, so
far as I can tell. I'd say the definition should be
based on what is written on the sign on the hostelry.
These are my two cents' worth based on 30+ years of
travel, including a few cross-country trips across
America as well as extensive on-ground travel in
Mexico, Russia, and central Europe.</div>
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<div>Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!</div>
<div>apm-wa</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:33 AM bkil <<a href="http://bkil.hu" target="_blank">bkil.hu</a>+<a href="mailto:Aq@gmail.com" target="_blank">Aq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I've made a major rewording of this tag.
Please review and don't hesitate to comment or
improve if I've mistakenly changed the meaning
of the tag:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Source: based on Wikipedia and
recent mapping experience:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632</a><br>
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<div>It also looks like some have used the word
motel for what should have been pensions and
guest houses around here, I'll also fix these
later.</div>
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