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<p>I also reached this conclusion some time ago but looking at how
it is difficult to change something regarding tagging I stop
authorizing myself thinking that such situation CAN be changed.
However I'm not affraid of such major change if it can bring
enhancement. I'm ok to consider a proposal which would lead to the
tourism=accomodation schema.</p>
<p>But I think that whatever we do (new schema vs existing schema)
an "Accomodation" wiki page (routing to hotel/motel/... tags) will
be helpfull to today route to existing tags and maybe tomorrow
explain the new schema.</p>
<p>Yours,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 01/01/2019 à 03:23, Silent Spike a
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<div dir="ltr">I've recently been more involved with wikidata
and come to appreciate the benefits of having a structured set
of data interlinked by well defined properties. You can <a
href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q216212"
moz-do-not-send="true">see here</a> that the current
information there considers motels to be a subclass of hotels
(so all motels are hotels, not all hotels are motels). Which
makes sense to me, hotels are the short term accommodation
part of your definition and then this can be further specified
as a motel if it's build around a car parking area as the main
attraction of the hotel.</div>
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<div>In terms of the splitting hairs and tagging conversation,
this seems to support the tourism=accommodation idea
mentioned, but yeah existing tags are so widely used
already...</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 PM Warin <<a
href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail-m_1868299134917462529moz-cite-prefix">I am
getting the same feeling for intermittent/seasonal and
ephemeral ... should all be one top level tag. Sigh.<br>
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n 01/01/19 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote:<br>
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<div>Tobias wrote:</div>
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<div>"Now that several comments here indicate that the
only practical distinction today is the name on the
front sign I come to think that we could abandon the
tag altogether."<br>
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<div>+1</div>
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<div>I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in
some cases it simply isn't worth the effort. These
objects are just temporary accommodations that,
granted, have varying characteristics. Here in
Thailand, it's virtually impossible to differentiate
between a guest_house and a hotel. And how should one
tag facilities that label themselves as a "resort"
(รีสอร์ท)? A better approach might (have been) to use
a generic term like tourism=accommodation as a top
level and then describe the facility more fully with
subtags. Of course, we're pretty much stuck with the
present imperfect tagging situation. <br>
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<div>Dave<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 PM Tobias
Wrede <<a href="mailto:list@tobias-wrede.de"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">list@tobias-wrede.de</a>>
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Germany my experience is that actually most hotels
in the cities charge for parking. On the other
hand you find very very few that call themselves
"motel". I can only think of one currently that
does, and it is located within a motorway rest
area. The exception is the chain Motel One which
is a very typical _h_otel often located in city
centers offering only limited parking.<br>
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class="gmail-m_1868299134917462529gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">When
I think of a motel I always picture those with
doors opening to the car park from US movies. Now
that several comments here indicate that the only
practical distinction today is the name on the
front sign I come to think that we could abandon
the tag altogether. What value does it generate
for the data consumer if tourism=motel and
tourism=hotel is all but the same and practical
distinction could for both be made by subtags
parking=y/n, parking:fee=y/n, etc?</div>
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24.12.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> In the USA, we would also
assume a motel offers free parking. Hotels may
charge extra for parking, especial if located
downtown or next to an airport.<br>
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Is this also the case in Europe and Australia?<br>
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Dave Swarthout <<a
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<div>"Today the main difference seems to be
the sign out front. If a hostelry calls
itself a motel, it is a motel. If it
calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel.
Local licensing authorities do not
differentiate between them and they are
regulated identically, so far as I can
tell. I'd say the definition should be
based on what is written on the sign on
the hostelry." <br>
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<div>+1</div>
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<div>That's my main criterion for tagging an
accommodation as a motel. I agree with
Volker's points and Allan's view on this.</div>
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<div>Happy Holidays</div>
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<div>Dave<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:27
AM Allan Mustard <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Motel = MOtor hoTEL
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<div>The major difference between a
'hotel" and a "motel" originally was
the configuration of the building with
respect to parking. At a
traditionally designed motel, the cars
are parked outside the units, which
typically open to the outdoors, not to
a hallway, so that patrons of the
motel may come and go freely to their
automobiles. Length of stay is
immaterial. </div>
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<div>The first motels appeared on the
Lincoln Highway in the 1920s, if
memory serves, and had little carports
capable of accommodating a Model T
Ford-sized automobile next to a cabin
(yes, the first motels featured
cabins, not rooms in a larger
building). </div>
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<div>Then along came Motel 6, so called
because it charged $6 per night back
in the day (it featured coin-operated
TVs and you paid extra for everything
but the bed, bath, and four walls).
Many Motel 6s had hallways, and that
changed the design, but they still
catered to transients en route from
Point A to Point B.</div>
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<div>Today the main difference seems to
be the sign out front. If a hostelry
calls itself a motel, it is a motel.
If it calls itself a hotel, it is a
hotel. Local licensing authorities do
not differentiate between them and
they are regulated identically, so far
as I can tell. I'd say the definition
should be based on what is written on
the sign on the hostelry. These are
my two cents' worth based on 30+ years
of travel, including a few
cross-country trips across America as
well as extensive on-ground travel in
Mexico, Russia, and central Europe.</div>
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<div>Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!</div>
<div>apm-wa</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at
4:33 AM bkil <<a
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target="_blank"
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<div>I've made a major rewording
of this tag. Please review and
don't hesitate to comment or
improve if I've mistakenly
changed the meaning of the tag:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Source: based on
Wikipedia and recent mapping
experience:<br>
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href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632</a><br>
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<div>It also looks like some have
used the word motel for what
should have been pensions and
guest houses around here, I'll
also fix these later.</div>
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