<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I've recently been more involved with wikidata and come to appreciate the benefits of having a structured set of data interlinked by well defined properties. You can <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q216212">see here</a> that the current information there considers motels to be a subclass of hotels (so all motels are hotels, not all hotels are motels). Which makes sense to me, hotels are the short term accommodation part of your definition and then this can be further specified as a motel if it's build around a car parking area as the main attraction of the hotel.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>In terms of the splitting hairs and tagging conversation, this seems to support the tourism=accommodation idea mentioned, but yeah existing tags are so widely used already...</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 PM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_1868299134917462529moz-cite-prefix">I am getting the same feeling for
intermittent/seasonal and ephemeral ... should all be one top
level tag. Sigh.<br>
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n 01/01/19 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote:<br>
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<div>"Now that several comments here indicate that the only
practical distinction today is the name on the front sign I
come to think that we could abandon the tag altogether."<br>
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<div>I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in some
cases it simply isn't worth the effort. These objects are just
temporary accommodations that, granted, have varying
characteristics. Here in Thailand, it's virtually impossible
to differentiate between a guest_house and a hotel. And how
should one tag facilities that label themselves as a "resort"
(รีสอร์ท)? A better approach might (have been) to use a
generic term like tourism=accommodation as a top level and
then describe the facility more fully with subtags. Of course,
we're pretty much stuck with the present imperfect tagging
situation. <br>
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<div>Dave<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 PM Tobias Wrede
<<a href="mailto:list@tobias-wrede.de" target="_blank">list@tobias-wrede.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_1868299134917462529gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">In
Germany my experience is that actually most hotels in the
cities charge for parking. On the other hand you find very
very few that call themselves "motel". I can only think of
one currently that does, and it is located within a
motorway rest area. The exception is the chain Motel One
which is a very typical _h_otel often located in city
centers offering only limited parking.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_1868299134917462529gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">When
I think of a motel I always picture those with doors
opening to the car park from US movies. Now that several
comments here indicate that the only practical distinction
today is the name on the front sign I come to think that
we could abandon the tag altogether. What value does it
generate for the data consumer if tourism=motel and
tourism=hotel is all but the same and practical
distinction could for both be made by subtags parking=y/n,
parking:fee=y/n, etc?</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_1868299134917462529gmail-m_-3338625623664162624moz-cite-prefix">Tobias<br>
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24.12.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> In the USA, we would also assume a
motel offers free parking. Hotels may charge extra for
parking, especial if located downtown or next to an
airport.<br>
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Is this also the case in Europe and Australia?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dave
Swarthout <<a href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com" target="_blank">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>"Today the main difference seems to be the sign
out front. If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it
is a motel. If it calls itself a hotel, it is a
hotel. Local licensing authorities do not
differentiate between them and they are regulated
identically, so far as I can tell. I'd say the
definition should be based on what is written on
the sign on the hostelry." <br>
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<div>That's my main criterion for tagging an
accommodation as a motel. I agree with Volker's
points and Allan's view on this.</div>
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<div>Happy Holidays</div>
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<div>Dave<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:27 AM Allan
Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan@mustard.net" target="_blank">allan@mustard.net</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Motel = MOtor hoTEL
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<div>The major difference between a 'hotel" and
a "motel" originally was the configuration of
the building with respect to parking. At a
traditionally designed motel, the cars are
parked outside the units, which typically open
to the outdoors, not to a hallway, so that
patrons of the motel may come and go freely to
their automobiles. Length of stay is
immaterial. </div>
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<div>The first motels appeared on the Lincoln
Highway in the 1920s, if memory serves, and
had little carports capable of accommodating a
Model T Ford-sized automobile next to a cabin
(yes, the first motels featured cabins, not
rooms in a larger building). </div>
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<div>Then along came Motel 6, so called because
it charged $6 per night back in the day (it
featured coin-operated TVs and you paid extra
for everything but the bed, bath, and four
walls). Many Motel 6s had hallways, and that
changed the design, but they still catered to
transients en route from Point A to Point B.</div>
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<div>Today the main difference seems to be the
sign out front. If a hostelry calls itself a
motel, it is a motel. If it calls itself a
hotel, it is a hotel. Local licensing
authorities do not differentiate between them
and they are regulated identically, so far as
I can tell. I'd say the definition should be
based on what is written on the sign on the
hostelry. These are my two cents' worth based
on 30+ years of travel, including a few
cross-country trips across America as well as
extensive on-ground travel in Mexico, Russia,
and central Europe.</div>
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<div>Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!</div>
<div>apm-wa</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:33 AM
bkil <<a href="http://bkil.hu" target="_blank">bkil.hu</a>+<a href="mailto:Aq@gmail.com" target="_blank">Aq@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>I've made a major rewording of this
tag. Please review and don't hesitate to
comment or improve if I've mistakenly
changed the meaning of the tag:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Source: based on Wikipedia
and recent mapping experience:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632</a><br>
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<div>It also looks like some have used the
word motel for what should have been
pensions and guest houses around here,
I'll also fix these later.</div>
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