<div dir="ltr"><div>Sorry if I was not clear.</div><div><br></div>This example matches the basic description you gave. It is not just a crossing, there is more: a guidepost, a register, i.e. visiblty designated, and it is listed and customary. <div><br></div><div>Nothing in the basic description is specific for TOPs.<div><br></div><div>With "Excludes ... " I thought of the suggestion by someone on this list that all crossings could be marked as trailheads because you can start a route at any crossing. </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Op vr 11 jan. 2019 om 15:46 schreef Kevin Kenny <<a href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com">kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 1/11/19 2:43 AM, Peter Elderson wrote:<br>
> This covers all trailheads mapped worldwide so far, and excludes <br>
> locations where a trail just crosses a road.<br>
<br>
Here we go again.<br>
<br>
Some of the trailheads I've used are exactly that. One of those that I <br>
can recall in particular is an important trailhead. If you start away <br>
from it, it will be 60 km before you reach the next road that a car can <br>
drive on, and another 25 to reach a town where you can get supplies or <br>
assistance. If I recall correctly (it's about three years since I was up <br>
that way) all there is at the trailhead is a guidepost (there's a <br>
register book, but it's in the woods maybe 400 m to discourage <br>
vandalism). If you want to park a car, you do that at a county <br>
maintenance garage that's about half a km away on the highway.<br>
<br>
And yes, this *is* a customary and designated place for starting/ending <br>
a trip It's a 220 km trail, so most hikers don't do it in one shot. It's <br>
a wilderness trail, so it simply doesn't have a lot of facilities other <br>
than at its endpoints. A trailhead on that trail is simply any place <br>
with highway access - and I can count them on my fingers, including a <br>
couple that have access trails that aren't the main trail (maybe about a <br>
5 km trip to get to the road from the main trail) and another couple <br>
that cross 4WD-only roads.<br>
<br>
There's no government agency designating the trailheads. The trail is <br>
maintained by a hiking club, with the cooperation of the state <br>
Department of Environmental Conservation. (The maintenance is haphazard, <br>
as you'd expect on a trail that remote. That's part of the experience.) <br>
The trailheads, however, are listed in guidebooks, and appear in a <br>
shapefile that I get from the DEC that describes points of interest on <br>
state-owned land. (I do *not* import that file because of data quality <br>
issues.)<br>
<br>
Despite your repeated denials, you're continuing to try to invent a set <br>
of definitions that, at least in NL, will encompass all TOPs and nothing <br>
else. If that's your aim, then invent a tag for TOP and use it,<br>
<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Vr gr Peter Elderson</div>