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          <div>>Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I
            think that would be a good coverall term?) <br>
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          <div>I would prefer that but it's an American term. We might
            as well just stay with caravan. Plus, I do think the tag
            you're proposing could, with enough thought, be made to work
            for all types of recreational_vehicles/caravans.</div>
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    There is a difference.<br>
    Caravans attach to a motor vehicle for moment. <br>
    Motor homes/campers are self propelled. <br>
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          <div>There was a thread just a while ago on this list
            discussing ti-lo's solo initiative to upgrade
            motorcycle=shop tagging. It was/is a sensible scheme that
            integrated the functions of dealer, parts shop and
            accessories shop by using subtags to make the distinctions.
            (See the Services section:  <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle#Services_tags"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle#Services_tags</a>).
            His scheme was criticized because he didn't discuss it fully
            enough on this list but aside from that, I liked the idea.
            The main tag and all subtags except those that already stand
            on their own, begin with the same keyword, motorcycle, and
            proceed from there, adding as much detail as desired or
            known.  <br>
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          <div>Hence, one might have <br>
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          <div>caravan:parts=yes</div>
          <div>caravan:accessories=yes/no<br>
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          <div>caravan:sales=yes/no</div>
          <div>caravan:type=type_a/type_b/type_c/fifth_wheel/trailer<br>
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    type?  caravan:classification=* ? classifications could be local
    legal ones. Other things are descriptions .. and OSM has a tag for
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          <div>second_hand=yes/only</div>
          <div>caravan:propulsion=trailer/yes/solar_powered (wishful
            thinking)  [also gas/diesel?]<br>
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    I say again, caravans are not self propelled - they need to be
    pulled along by something. <br>
    Oxford Dictionary: <span class="ind">A vehicle equipped for living
      in, typically towed by a car. <br>
      Origin </span><span class="ind">Late 15th century (in caravan
      (sense 2)): from French caravane, from Persian kārwān. The sense
      ‘covered horse-drawn wagon’ dates from the early 19th century.</span>
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          <div>The caravan:types are well-known to anyone shopping for
            RVs (in America for sure but Europe or Asia, I dunno) but
            the tag is optional. Use it for fine-grained tagging, ignore
            it otherwise.<br>
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    In the UK smaller 'back' roads are narrow - Toyota Landcrusiers are
    seen as too wide, an American small Winabago is UK huge. <br>
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          <div>Dave<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:01 PM Graeme
          Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com"
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              <div dir="ltr">On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 13:06, Dave
                Swarthout <<a href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com"
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                <div dir="ltr">I'm assuming that this tagging scheme is
                  also for a shop that sells only caravan parts and
                  accessories but not caravans.</div>
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              <div>No, I've tried to set it up selling (dealer) as well
                as parts, repair & rental. Any other options you can
                think of, or better ways to word things?</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">Also, I see you've decided not to be
                  specific about the type or style of caravan sold. I
                  would think caravan:style or caravan:class might be
                  useful to distinguish between type_a, type_c,
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              <div>Couple of people have suggested that & I've asked
                some questions about "how" but no feedback yet </div>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 07:54, Graeme
                  Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com"
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                          <div>Possibly something like
                            caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago
                            / camper trailer etc, but then you get to
                            the problem of what is difference between a
                            camper van, motorhome & Winnebago?</div>
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                <div>motorised=yes / no?</div>
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                <div>propulsion=towed / motorised?</div>
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                <div>Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome?
                  (I think that would be a good coverall term?)</div>
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                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It's also, at
                    least in the US, very common for a dealer<br>
                    to sell one or the other, but not both. </blockquote>
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                <div>But if we use a separate page, won't you have the
                  same problem that you'll only be able to find one or
                  the other?</div>
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                <div>As I mentioned earlier, if we had </div>
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                <div>caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / camper_trailer</div>
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                <div>would you be able to search for the type you want? </div>
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                <div>So, any thoughts?</div>
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                  Thanks
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                  <div>Graeme</div>
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                <div>PS How you going using Warin's suggestion to create
                  pages? :-)</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">Dave Swarthout<br>
          Homer, Alaska<br>
          Chiang Mai, Thailand<br>
          Travel Blog at <a href="http://dswarthout.blogspot.com"
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