I’m in Papua, Indonesia. It’s quite different than Java or Bali.<br><br>I’ve tagged some places as “towns” with only 4000 or 5000 inhabitants in the most sparsely populated parts around here, because they are the only settlement larger than a few hundred people in an area of 100 x 100 km or greater, and they have big markets, a variety of shops, a high school (secondary education) and a few offices.<br><br>But even in Alaska or Siberia, I can’t see how a place with 500 inhabitants could qualify as an OSM town. It might be the capital of an admin_level=4 and that could be a good measure of importance.<br><br>I’ve also been reluctant to tag my own town as a “city”. It’s the largest settlement for 150 to 200km in all directions, by a factor of 4, but only has 40,000 people, and many services require flying to the capital city of the province. There are several institutes of higher education, but not a university, and the airport only offers flights to one other city. But it’s a borderline case. Probably in 10 years it will clearly qualify<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:09 AM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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“an isolated "village" with only a few hundred people in it, but
which is the main centre for this area will be a town, & maybe
even a city?”<br>
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It’s not possible to have “town” level services with less than
1000 people. A town has a major market (retail area) serving the
surrounding area, as well as basic educational, cultural and
government facilities.<br>
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In your area of the world I agree. You have a 'good' population
density.<br>
In some places the nearest neighbour can be 400 km away. The
population 'centre' may have much less than 1,000 people in the
local residential area .. but may service 1,000s of square
kilometres. <br>
Necessity makes this population centre very important for the few
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Similarly, a city must have more than a few thousand people, if it
has a hospital, university, transportation hub (port / airport
etc), government and business offices, and so on.<br>
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> On 23. Jan 2019, at 22:35, Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>>
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> According to the wiki, they're not<br>
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if the wiki says it explicitly like this we should fix
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<div>Just looking & it's a mixture, & also a bit
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<div>=city: <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">the
largest settlement or settlements within a territory</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">=town: </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">an
important urban centre ... </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">normally
have a good range of shops and facilities which are
used by people from nearby villages.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">=village: </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">A
settlement with between 1,000 and 10,000 inhabitants</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">=hamlet: </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">an
isolated settlement, typically with less than 100-200
inhabitants</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">=isolated_dwelling: </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">the
smallest kind of human settlement. They are outside
other settlements ... </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">must not
consist of more than 2 households</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">=locality: </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">an
unpopulated location (but the example photo is of an
inhabited village!)</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">I
would suggest we remove all reference to number of
inhabitants, & base the decision on each mappers
own recognition of how "important" this place is, so
an isolated "village" with only a few hundred people
in it, but which is the main centre for this area will
be a town, & maybe even a city?</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">I'm
happy to have a go at them if we're willing?</span></div>
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