> Not all land forms are 'natural' by the common meaning of the word.<br><br>Ok, but all mountain ranges are certainly natural, by any sense of the word.<br><br>If you would like to change natural=peak, =saddle, =ridge, =cliff etc to a new “landform” key, that should be a separate proposal which includes all of the landforms. It doesn’t make sense to invent a new key with only one value.<br><br>> For me I'd just map the spine as a way.<br><br>I agree, and I think this should be the recommendation in the proposal. While some people will choose to use the tag with other geometries, the central ridge of a mountain range is sufficient to define the extent of the name, and it is verifiable. <br><br>Mountain massifs without a main ridge, such as some isolated volcanic ranges, should just be mapped as a node for now.<br><br>> If a node then some may want a relation - the node as the lable, and other nodes that are peaks of the range, ways that are ridges of the range .. and so on. <br><br>A complex relation that includes nodes and closed ways isn’t going to be useful. I do t know of any tools that are able to make sense of such a thing. <br><br>If you want to show that certain peaks and saddle is part of a mountain range, the main way should connect them.<br><br>And if there are smaller side ridges, they can also be selected as part of the mountain range as long as they share one node with the natural=mountain_range way<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:14 AM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_161314847397232264moz-cite-prefix">On 09/02/19 11:22, Joseph Eisenberg
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Thanks for working on this. I had been meaning to reopen the
proposal.<br>
<br>
No need to introduce a new key. natural=mountain_range is fine,
and has been in use.<br>
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For me the key 'natural' is not good. It has a common meaning that
goes against the OSM definition. <br>
<br>
Not all land forms are 'natural' by the common meaning of the word.
<br>
So I'd rather use a word that says what it is without any confusion
- a land form. <br>
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> To map: <br>
> - as a node - centred on the area<br>
> - a simple open way along hte <br>
spine of the range<br>
<br>
Yes, both of these are good. If a way is used it should follow the
natural=ridge ways.</blockquote>
<br>
Not all part of a range have ridges - some have plateaus. <br>
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A natural=mountain_range will probably consist of several ridges
which meet at natural=saddle points.<br>
<br>
> a closed way on the area of the range or a relation <br>
> consisting of ways forming a closed area of the range.<br>
<br>
These will be quite hard to define. Do you go all the way down
into the valley or plains till the land is flat? Or only surround
the higher elevations?<br>
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Some have already been mapped that way. I don't know of the
source/method of determination. <br>
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I’d recommend sticking with a linear way or node.<br>
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<br>
If a node then some may want a relation - the node as the lable, and
other nodes that are peaks of the range, ways that are ridges of the
range .. and so on. <br>
If a way some may want a relation - the ways as the spine, nodes as
peaks .. and possibly some ways as side ridges ... <br>
<br>
??? <br>
I don't know. <br>
<br>
For me I'd just map the spine as a way. <br></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:25 AM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
<br>
There appear to be 2 competing tags for use with mountain
ranges. <br>
Neither have any wiki documentation!<br>
<br>
<br>
A) place=region, region=mountain_range<br>
<br>
Mostly relations with outer ways only.<br>
<br>
<br>
B) natural=mountain_range<br>
<br>
Again as relations - with outer ways and at least some with
nodes <br>
representing peaks within the mountain range.<br>
<br>
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<br>
So .. to combine them into one and standardise the format?<br>
<br>
Introducing<br>
<br>
C) landform=mountain_range<br>
<br>
<br>
To map as a node - centred on the area, a simple open way
along hte <br>
spine of the range, a closed way on the area of the range or a
relation <br>
consisting of ways forming a closed are of the range.<br>
<br>
<br>
No entry of peaks, ridges etc as these will change with new
entries, and <br>
can be forund by searching inside the area if the area is
mapped.<br>
<br>
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<br>
The new tag can run with the older tags so they will still
exist while <br>
the new tag establishes itself.<br>
<br>
<br>
Well, what do you think?<br>
<br>
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