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    <p>Hi</p>
    <p>I am not at all clear from this as to how to tag a natural gas
      pipeline and the various equipments at substations, or water or
      liquid hydrocarbons eg aviation fuel.</p>
    <p>Is a product tag needed? The assumption is electricity (IEC 601
      is purely electricity) but what about other stuff  especially
      where words and phrases are common irrespective of product.</p>
    <p>Regards</p>
    <p>Tony<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/02/2019 21:37, François Lacombe
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            <div>HI all</div>
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            <div>The power and pipeline substations functions proposal
              is under RFC since early January.</div>
            <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_functions"
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            <div>Received comments on Talk page allow a few important
              improvements, here you go for a concrete benefits summary<br>
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_functions#Concrete_benefits"
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            <div>The vote will begin shortly if no further discussion
              starts over</div>
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            <div>All the best</div>
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            <div>François</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 30 déc. 2018 à 00:34,
          François Lacombe <<a
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              <div>Hi,</div>
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              <div>I recently found out that current tagging for
                substations (power or pipelines) with substation=* key
                actually merge two distinct concepts.</div>
              <div>It deals with hierarchy levels and specific network
                functions a substation can host.</div>
              <div>It's hardly possible to document the substation=* key
                properly with the values voted in the last pipeline
                extension proposal.</div>
              <div>Main issue is a "compression substation" can also be
                a transmission or distribution substation and it hasn't
                been solved during the review process.<br>
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              <div>I wrote a new proposal to move the less used values
                of substation=* in more detailed and dedicated functions
                subkeys.</div>
              <div>It also adds substation=generation (formerly
                substation=transmission) and substation=delivery which
                are missing currently.<br>
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              <div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_functions"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_functions</a></div>
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              <div>This not-so-big change on < 2000 existing objects
                (out of +300k power substations and 7k pipeline
                substations) would enable OSM to have a better matching
                with IEC definitions and a more usable tagging. We will
                be able to tag more objects with substation tagging
                (delivery substation mainly) than before.<br>
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              <div>Most of function subkeys has defaults that allow us
                to add them on specific situations if required only.<br>
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              <div>I'll add more example before vote start (surely next
                Febuary or March depending on how RFC goes)</div>
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              <div>All the best</div>
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              <div>François</div>
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Tagging mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a>
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