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<p>some providers already make it publicly available knowledge. for
example in the UK link ATM has an app, and you can use it to find
nearby ATMs. most of the things it tells you are pretty standard,
but some things that may need new tags are pin management
services, audio assistance and £5 notes (because otherwise you're
limited to denominations of 10). I was thinking with these tags
included, link ATM may feel encouraged to import their data and
maintain it on OSM allowing them to save costs on their end and
have a more detailed map. when I tried proposing minimum
denominations before on here though it got shot down very fast.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/14/19 7:17 AM, Colin Smale wrote:<br>
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<p>Tagging min and max withdrawals on the ATM is asking for
confusion. The normal limits are set by the card issuer, and I
can see many people mistakenly putting their personal card
limits into these tags on the ATM.</p>
<p>More relevant here would be the denomination mix. ATMs have a
fixed number of canisters (maybe 2/3/4), each of which can hold
a single type of note. Which denominations are loaded depends on
historical usage patterns. Stocking low denomination notes might
be good for user convenience, but bad for the possibility of
running out of money in a busy location. Knowing the normal mix
for a particular ATM, in particular the smallest denomination,
is useful for knowing which amounts can be dispensed, and which
not.</p>
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<p>So instead of min_withdrawal on the ATM, I would suggest
min_denomination.</p>
<p>In the case of multi-currency ATMs there will need to be a
currency-specific variant, like min_denomination:EUR=20</p>
<p>Problem is, it will probably require data from multiple
transactions from small to large to work out the mix and we need
to keep mappers merging the data from their experience, and not
overwriting the valid data from a previous ATM user, while
recognising that the denomination mix can change, even according
to the days of the week (weekends might be different to weekdays
in city centres).</p>
<p>On 2019-02-14 07:29, OSMDoudou wrote:</p>
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padding: 0.5em;">The minimum can also differ.<br>
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Some banks allow their young customers to withdraw small
amounts, like 5 EUR, whereas adults and even young customers
with cards from other banks will not be allowed to withdraw
less than 20 EUR.<br>
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So, it may create confusion between mappers because what you
see as options on the ATM may depend on your card and your
affiliation with the bank. <br>
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This impairs verifiability on the ground of the information.<br>
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0.3em;">On 2/14/19, 03:45 Warin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com"><61sundowner@gmail.com></a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The maximum may also be limited
by the card provider. Need some careful words on the
proposal to say it is the limit of the ATM provider. <br>
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On 14/02/19 13:31, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:</div>
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So use <br>
withdraw_min=*<br>
withdraw_max=<span class="st"><em>*<br>
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???<br>
<br>
</em>The currency is set by some other tag that I forget
now. That needs to be mentioned in the proposal. <br>
As a user .. I have no idea what the limits are. I suspect
I may know the lower limit, but not the upper. <br>
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Perhaps max_withdrawal would be clearer?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:57 AM Nathan
Wyand <<a href="mailto:propaganda@nathanwyand.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">propaganda@nathanwyand.com</a>>
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<div>Hello mappers,<br>
<br>
I frequently use OSM to find ATM's near me, but many
of these machines place limits on how much can be
withdrawn in 1 transaction. This can make it
inconvenient and expensive to withdraw money,
requiring several transactions. Another issue is
that many machines only carry $20 notes, which
forces people to withdraw more or less than they
actually desire. I am considering two tags for use <span
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style="font-size: 14px;"><span
class="m_8591796332087276622span_font_wrapper"></span></span></span>alongside
'amenity=atm':<br>
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<strong>min_transaction</strong> (the minimum amount
of cash that can be withdrawn in one
transaction...typically the smallest denomination of
notes in the machine)<br>
<strong>max _transaction</strong> (the maximum
amount of cash that can be withdrawn in one
transaction)<br>
<br>
This is my first time proposing a tag, and I would
love to hear your input and and advice. Thank you!<br>
<br>
-Nathan</div>
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