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<p>Hi Tobias,</p>
<p>why not use foot=use_sidepath and/or sidewalk=no? In combination
with hw=primary/secondary, routers should be able to work out that
that route is a bad one.<br>
Also OT the city should declare that tunnel a motorroad, or put up
signs disallowing pedestrians and bicycle riders (and horses),
like <a
href="https://www.google.de/maps/@50.9401298,6.9532164,3a,75y,354.53h,97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-BF_bbPXwIa2GD2DghRJZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">opposite
direction</a> of your first example.<br>
Also people using routers should apply common sense, too. Or stay
at home.</p>
<p> Hubert87</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.02.2019 um 13:20 schrieb Tobias
Wrede:<br>
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cite="mid:81abeff7-a433-3226-0a73-03f45e20acfb@tobias-wrede.de">Am
15.02.2019 um 11:54 schrieb Rory McCann:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 14/02/2019 19:51, Tobias Zwick wrote:
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<br>
> Let's be pragmatic: We don't tag things just because and
also do not
<br>
> live in clouds. So, why do we tag access restrictions at
all? -
<br>
<br>
(IMO) To record the *legal* restrictions. 🙂
<br>
<br>
> To be of use for routing and other use cases where it is
relevant
<br>
> whether something is accessible or not, simple as that.
<br>
> The reason for it being (not) accessible is secondary
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<br>
Unfortunately, the legal situation is not always as clear as we
wish to. There are a lot of grey zones and we need to apply common
sense when tagging the access rules.
<br>
<br>
Here are a few situations where I would not hesitate to put a
foot=no on the road even if there is no corresponding traffic
sign.
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Pedestrians can take the level footpaths/sidewalks instead taking
the underpass:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6187386#map=18/50.94224/6.95277">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6187386#map=18/50.94224/6.95277</a>.
There is no signage forbidding foot traffic.
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.de/maps/@50.9444478,6.9530483,3a,60y,190.35h,87.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQMNheDoeod1aqNAV9jAkzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">https://www.google.de/maps/@50.9444478,6.9530483,3a,60y,190.35h,87.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQMNheDoeod1aqNAV9jAkzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656</a>)<br>
<br>
Tobias' example: One big crossing. Pedestrians ought to take the
foot ways on the perimeter:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/188015318#map=19/53.54798/10.00603">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/188015318#map=19/53.54798/10.00603</a>
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.de/maps/place/Deichtorpl.,+Hamburg/@53.5464444,10.0054334,194a,35y,39.47t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b18ee36713d14d:0x9845b5555ddee686!8m2!3d53.5477326!4d10.0057289">https://www.google.de/maps/place/Deichtorpl.,+Hamburg/@53.5464444,10.0054334,194a,35y,39.47t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b18ee36713d14d:0x9845b5555ddee686!8m2!3d53.5477326!4d10.0057289</a>)
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Pedestrians ought to take the bridge here. There are no traffic
lights for pedestrians but there is no signage either forbidding
pedestrians:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258669865#map=19/51.03936/7.05248">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258669865#map=19/51.03936/7.05248</a>
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By German law you are required to use footpaths if they exists on
the road. In these examples there are no footpaths on the roads so
you should be able to use the carriageways. But is that what the
planners intended and would it make sense at all?
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I am with you regarding cases where some mappers might just tag a
road foot=no if they feel it is too dangerous for the pedestrians
or too unnerving for the car drivers and where there is no real
designated alternative. We shouldn't do that.
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Tobias
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