<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 17:19, Hufkratzer <<a href="mailto:hufkratzer@gmail.com">hufkratzer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Irrigate with drains? This was the original question of the whole ditch <br>
vs. drain discussion (see <br>
(<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/042047.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/042047.html</a>). <br>
It seems to be a contradiction to what wikipedia explains (and therefore <br>
is difficult to remember):<br></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">As I see it, ditches are unlined. They're essentially trenches that are intended to have water in</div><div class="gmail_quote">them. In areas with a lot of rain (like mine) they allow for the drainage of fields where the water</div><div class="gmail_quote">table is close to the surface. In dry countries they can serve the purpose of irrigation (in which</div><div class="gmail_quote">case they tend to be interwoven with fields rather than at the edges). We don't have words for</div><div class="gmail_quote">"big ditches" or "very big ditches", they're just ditches.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">As I see it, drains are lined. They're intended to transport water from A to B either for the purposes</div><div class="gmail_quote">of drainage or irrigation. Which is a little counter-intuitive, until you think of a drain connecting</div><div class="gmail_quote">a reservoir of water higher than a field to one or more ditches around or in that field. You build</div><div class="gmail_quote">a drain rather than a ditch in that case because you don't want the water seeping away between</div><div class="gmail_quote">the reservoir and the irrigation ditches. But it's still a drain because it's draining the reservoir</div><div class="gmail_quote">(that's the bit that's counter-intuitive until you think about what is being drained). If it's a big drain</div><div class="gmail_quote"> then it might be better tagged as a canal (that's a different endless discussion we can have in</div><div class="gmail_quote">another thread).<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_quote">Trying to call big ditches drains is, in my opinion, a bad move. Ditches are permeable and</div><div class="gmail_quote">drains are not. Ditches allow the seepage of water to or from the ditch and the land surrounding</div><div class="gmail_quote">it; drains prevent such seepage. Lined/unlined (alternatively seepage/no seepage) are the key</div><div class="gmail_quote">distinctions. Maybe we need a way of specifying the width to avoid people tagging a ditch as</div><div class="gmail_quote">a drain, or vice versa, to achieve different rendering.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">-- <br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Paul</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div>