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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Feb 28, 2019, 7:37 AM by rory@technomancy.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">Hi all,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Is there a good way to tag "hostile architecture"? To take a common example: How should one map a bench that one cannot physically lie down on?<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> * <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> * <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://hostiledesign.org/">https://hostiledesign.org</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> * an example: <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_bench">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_bench</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I'd define this type of bench as: "The bench is about as long as an average person's height, but is physically designed in a way that makes it impossible, or very hard, for someone to lie down on it"<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Suggestions? `sleepable=yes/no` (my current favourite) `can_lie=yes/no`? `lie=yes/no`? ? `lieable=yes/no` `lyable=yes/no`? Or `bench:architecture=hostile`?<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">There has been some discussion on reddit:<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">* <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible/">https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> * <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench/">https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench</a><br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">I second reddit suggestion to use objective criteria. For example tag presence of additional <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">armrest in the middle and width rather than tag `bench:architecture=hostile`.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">In one case that I am familiar with I would tag something like<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> - armrest_count=3 (there is one in the middle)<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"> - depth=XYZ (as bench is made so one would fall from it on attempt to lie there)<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I would also create a proposal for this tags if this turned out to be useful.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">sleepable=yes/no is for me problematic as it can be easily confused with "is it OK to sleep there".<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">`bench:architecture=hostile` has multiple problems - it is unclear (what it means? that it was built<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">during Russian occupation?), subjective and it shows clear opinion in social topic.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">It is preferable to use tags that are as objective as possible.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div> </body>
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