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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/03/19 02:32, Peter Elderson
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<div dir="ltr">you can use landcover, it has about 160K uses now
by 6000 users, but you should know that
<div>a. landcover is not currently rendered by OSM Carto. </div>
<div>b. THe proposal states that "<span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">All areas in
the landcover features of</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural"
title="Key:natural"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">natural</a>=*</tt><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">will be
transfered to</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landcover"
class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Key:landcover"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">landcover</a>=*</tt><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">. ...</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The tags</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
title="Key:landuse"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">landuse</a>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dgrass"
title="Tag:landuse=grass"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">grass</a></tt><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">,</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
title="Key:landuse"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">landuse</a>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dforest"
title="Tag:landuse=forest"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">forest</a></tt><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">and</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
title="Key:landuse"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">landuse</a>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Drailway"
title="Tag:landuse=railway"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">railway</a></tt><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">will be
transfered to</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landcover"
class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Key:landcover"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">landcover</a>=*</tt><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">." This is
certainly not going to happen any time soon.</span></div>
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And it is incorrect. landuse=railway is a use of the land, it does
not indicate a land cover. <br>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">If you
decide to use landcover for existing area's, use it in
addition to current mapping. For instance, if you replace
landuse=grass with landcover=grass, or natural=wood with
landcover=trees, most renderings suddenly will show these
areas as grey. I would not recommend that, in fact you'll
get a storm of protest! So in these cases, you use landcover
in addition to landuse, and when landcover gets rendered
(which I'm sure it will, some time) you can alter landuse
without greying the map. <br>
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Not all present landuse tags are landcovers. <br>
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<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">To add
patches of trees and grass in an area with
landuse=residential, industrial or leisure, you can use
landcover, though it will not yet show op on OSM Carto.</span></font></div>
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Some of the tags relevant when mapping land covers are the keys
natural=*, landcover=*, building=*, sub keys surface=* and the one
value landcover=grass. <br>
The <font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">landuse=residential,
industrial or leisure are not relevant to land cover as they may
have different land covers within their boundaries. <br>
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<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Also,
major editors allow entering landcover, but have no
special support for landcover tags.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Of
course, if you make your own map style for the project,
you can make landcover show up, just remember that the
standard OSM Carto map does not.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op ma 11 mrt. 2019 om 15:16
schreef Lorenzo Stucchi <<a
href="mailto:lorenzostucchi95@outlook.it"
moz-do-not-send="true">lorenzostucchi95@outlook.it</a>>:<br>
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Hi all,
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<div>I’m Lorenzo, the vice-president of PoliMappers, the
YouthMappers chapter in Politecnico di Milano, we are
going to organize a mapathon in Milan talking about
deforestation, in collaboration with the Semillero Geolab
UdeA, a Colombian chapter of YouthMappers.</div>
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<div>We will would like to map land-cover in an area near
the Amazonian forest, the mappers will be people that have
few experience in mapping so we are thinking to map basic
elements in landuse and we found this proposal [1] on map
basic elements. </div>
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<div>The idea was to map: bareland, artificial surface and
forest.</div>
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<div>Should be a good idea to map following this idea?</div>
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<div>Thanks for all the possible answer.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Lorenzo Stucchi </div>
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<div>[1] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover</a> </div>
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