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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/03/19 02:32, Peter Elderson
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">you can use landcover, it has about 160K uses now
        by 6000 users, but you should know that
        <div>a. landcover is not currently rendered by OSM Carto. </div>
        <div>b. THe proposal states that "<span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">All areas in
            the landcover features of</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural"
              title="Key:natural"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">natural</a>=*</tt><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">will be
            transfered to</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landcover"
              class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Key:landcover"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">landcover</a>=*</tt><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">. ...</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The tags</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
              title="Key:landuse"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">landuse</a>=<a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dgrass"
              title="Tag:landuse=grass"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">grass</a></tt><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">,</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
              title="Key:landuse"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">landuse</a>=<a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dforest"
              title="Tag:landuse=forest"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">forest</a></tt><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">and</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse"
              title="Key:landuse"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">landuse</a>=<a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Drailway"
              title="Tag:landuse=railway"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">railway</a></tt><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">will be
            transfered to</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><tt
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style="font-size:1em;font-family:monospace,monospace;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landcover"
              class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Key:landcover"
              style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
              moz-do-not-send="true">landcover</a>=*</tt><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">." This is
            certainly not going to happen any time soon.</span></div>
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    And it is incorrect. landuse=railway is a use of the land, it does
    not indicate a land cover. <br>
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        <div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">If you
            decide to use landcover for existing area's, use it in
            addition to current mapping. For instance, if you replace
            landuse=grass with landcover=grass, or natural=wood with
            landcover=trees, most renderings suddenly will show these
            areas as grey. I would not recommend that, in fact you'll
            get a storm of protest! So in these cases, you use landcover
            in addition to landuse, and when landcover gets rendered
            (which I'm sure it will, some time) you can alter landuse
            without greying the map. <br>
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    Not all present landuse tags are landcovers. <br>
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        <div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
            </span></font></div>
        <div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">To add
              patches of trees and grass in an area with
              landuse=residential, industrial or leisure, you can use
              landcover, though it will not yet show op on OSM Carto.</span></font></div>
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    Some of the tags relevant when mapping land covers are the keys
    natural=*, landcover=*, building=*, sub keys surface=* and the one
    value landcover=grass. <br>
    The <font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">landuse=residential,
        industrial or leisure are not relevant to land cover as they may
        have different land covers within their boundaries. <br>
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        <div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
            </span></font></div>
        <div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Also,
              major editors allow entering landcover, but have no
              special support for landcover tags.</span></font></div>
        <div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
            </span></font></div>
        <div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Of
              course, if you make your own map style for the project,
              you can make landcover show up, just remember that the
              standard OSM Carto map does not.<br>
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              data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Fr gr Peter Elderson</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op ma 11 mrt. 2019 om 15:16
          schreef Lorenzo Stucchi <<a
            href="mailto:lorenzostucchi95@outlook.it"
            moz-do-not-send="true">lorenzostucchi95@outlook.it</a>>:<br>
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            Hi all,
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            <div>I’m Lorenzo, the vice-president of PoliMappers, the
              YouthMappers chapter in Politecnico di Milano, we are
              going to organize a mapathon in Milan talking about
              deforestation, in collaboration with the Semillero Geolab
              UdeA, a Colombian chapter of YouthMappers.</div>
            <div><br>
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            <div>We will would like to map land-cover in an area near
              the Amazonian forest, the mappers will be people that have
              few experience in mapping so we are thinking to map basic
              elements in landuse and we found this proposal [1] on map
              basic elements. </div>
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            <div>The idea was to map: bareland, artificial surface and
              forest.</div>
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            <div>Should be a good idea to map following this idea?</div>
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            <div>Thanks for all the possible answer.</div>
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            <div>Best regards,</div>
            <div>Lorenzo Stucchi </div>
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            <div>[1] <a
                href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover</a> </div>
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